Welcome to thread two of AnCap's Epic Pony Adventure.
As we left off last time, the party of ponies and a cow had been teleported away by Discord. They are waking up in the back of a wagon, as a creamy colored pony with a multihued brown mane gazes at them over the wagon's edge.
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>>113022
Oh please. As if that line was meant to exemplify a party with two freaking Clerics.
You have played a Cleric. I know you have, both of them used Sanctuary on themselves. One was a unicorn, the other was an elf.
Another example is a Demilich. A demilich gets harm as an at-will SLA. In it's description, it says it uses Harm usually to heal itself. Harm is a touch-range at-will necromancy spell. That is right there an example of a creature using a touch-range spell on itself.
Oh please. As if that line was meant to exemplify a party with two freaking Clerics.
You have played a Cleric. I know you have, both of them used Sanctuary on themselves. One was a unicorn, the other was an elf.
Another example is a Demilich. A demilich gets harm as an at-will SLA. In it's description, it says it uses Harm usually to heal itself. Harm is a touch-range at-will necromancy spell. That is right there an example of a creature using a touch-range spell on itself.
>>113023
>a cleric and a unicorn
You're clearly mistaking me for someone else
"Yeah, he's never played a cleric dude"
>a cleric and a unicorn
You're clearly mistaking me for someone else
"Yeah, he's never played a cleric dude"
>>113024
Oh come on. I remember distinctly when a certain rogue attempted to attack a certain NPC unicorn Cleric, only to have her knife slip right through (with no saving throw) because said Cleric had warded itself with Sanctuary. I also remember the time when another Healbot schizophrenic elf had used Sanctuary on itself because it wasn't allowed to participate in the melee.
You're just being anal about this. It's really starting to piss me off now.
This is common sense RAI, and unquestionable RAW. The description for touch says nothing about not touching yourself, at all. Touch range spells are spells that can be cast on creatures within touching range. A spellcaster, even the one casting the spell, is a creature in range.
Do you really think that Clerics can't use Cure Light wounds on themselves because the range is touch? Video game adaptations let paladins and clerics use all their healing tools on themselves. Clerics have healed themselves in D&D CRPGs going back to Pool Of Radiance.
Then there's just about every low-level spell you see on the list of typical potions (potions have to be touch range spells), like Darkvision, Jump, Mage Armor, Endure Elements, Spider climb, etc. Do you really think that one of those spells effect the caster?
The Description for Permanency says that Darkvision (touch Range) is one of the few spells that can be made permanent on a creature. Not only does it say that it can be made permanent, but that the caster can only make it permanent on himself; so it'd be absurd for them to say that if the caster couldn't first cast darkvision on himself as a touch range spell.
Then there's mage armor: a touch range creation spell that gives an armor bonus to AC equivalent to a chainshirt, that does not stack with actual armor. If a spellcaster couldn't cast Mage Armor on himself, what good would the spell be? It's not useful for creatures already proficient in light armor. It'd certainly make being an Abjurant Champion suck if they couldn't use Mage Armor on themselves.
Do you think that Paladins get Resist Energy (touch) to only protect other party members from dragonfire, instead of using it on themselves to tank the attack? Do you think that they get Eagle's Splendor to increase another party member's Charisma, instead of using it to buff their own Charisma-based class features?
How is a Druid supposed to melee damage a creature with X/magic DR if he can't cast Magic Fang (yet another touch range spell) on himself?
Do you think that Assassins get Jump, Spider climb, Nondetection, or Pass Without A Trace for the sake of using said spells on anyone but themselves?
If you're going to bitch about what my character does, at least get it right. It's quite frankly none of your business. If you think this is okay, why don't you show me your character sheet so I can point out any of the questionable rule interpretations there?
Oh come on. I remember distinctly when a certain rogue attempted to attack a certain NPC unicorn Cleric, only to have her knife slip right through (with no saving throw) because said Cleric had warded itself with Sanctuary. I also remember the time when another Healbot schizophrenic elf had used Sanctuary on itself because it wasn't allowed to participate in the melee.
You're just being anal about this. It's really starting to piss me off now.
This is common sense RAI, and unquestionable RAW. The description for touch says nothing about not touching yourself, at all. Touch range spells are spells that can be cast on creatures within touching range. A spellcaster, even the one casting the spell, is a creature in range.
Do you really think that Clerics can't use Cure Light wounds on themselves because the range is touch? Video game adaptations let paladins and clerics use all their healing tools on themselves. Clerics have healed themselves in D&D CRPGs going back to Pool Of Radiance.
Then there's just about every low-level spell you see on the list of typical potions (potions have to be touch range spells), like Darkvision, Jump, Mage Armor, Endure Elements, Spider climb, etc. Do you really think that one of those spells effect the caster?
The Description for Permanency says that Darkvision (touch Range) is one of the few spells that can be made permanent on a creature. Not only does it say that it can be made permanent, but that the caster can only make it permanent on himself; so it'd be absurd for them to say that if the caster couldn't first cast darkvision on himself as a touch range spell.
Then there's mage armor: a touch range creation spell that gives an armor bonus to AC equivalent to a chainshirt, that does not stack with actual armor. If a spellcaster couldn't cast Mage Armor on himself, what good would the spell be? It's not useful for creatures already proficient in light armor. It'd certainly make being an Abjurant Champion suck if they couldn't use Mage Armor on themselves.
Do you think that Paladins get Resist Energy (touch) to only protect other party members from dragonfire, instead of using it on themselves to tank the attack? Do you think that they get Eagle's Splendor to increase another party member's Charisma, instead of using it to buff their own Charisma-based class features?
How is a Druid supposed to melee damage a creature with X/magic DR if he can't cast Magic Fang (yet another touch range spell) on himself?
Do you think that Assassins get Jump, Spider climb, Nondetection, or Pass Without A Trace for the sake of using said spells on anyone but themselves?
If you're going to bitch about what my character does, at least get it right. It's quite frankly none of your business. If you think this is okay, why don't you show me your character sheet so I can point out any of the questionable rule interpretations there?
>>113026
>unicorn
Oh, you mean the game where I expressedly bastardized half the rules, openly and flagrantly?
>elf
Oh, you mean the character that was thrust on me against my better judgement?
yawn
>unicorn
Oh, you mean the game where I expressedly bastardized half the rules, openly and flagrantly?
>elf
Oh, you mean the character that was thrust on me against my better judgement?
yawn
>>113034
I'm done arguing about this. I cited plenty of relavant examples, and I don't think you'd be convinced either way.
Pardon me for ending with a bad faith argument, but I really don't believe you even think touch range spells work that way.
If you think stacking Persist with Extend for a 1 hour buff spell for the sake of preparing more spells was too cheesy, that's one thing, but don't bullshit me with absurd interpretations of spell range.
I'm done arguing about this. I cited plenty of relavant examples, and I don't think you'd be convinced either way.
Pardon me for ending with a bad faith argument, but I really don't believe you even think touch range spells work that way.
If you think stacking Persist with Extend for a 1 hour buff spell for the sake of preparing more spells was too cheesy, that's one thing, but don't bullshit me with absurd interpretations of spell range.
>>113036
Indeed, the permanency/darkvision argument is reasonable and sound. The text of permanency makes clear that with the initial spell (darkvision) you have to cast it on yourself immediately prior to casting permanency on yourself.
The implication is that while there are no other overt references that contest the written word of range spells, that the individuals who compiled the core rules intended it to be that way.
But that's all a moot point now for two reasons. The first is that GM already told him no, and the second is that,... well you'll hear soon enough.
Don't kid yourself into thinking this is an isolated issue though.
Indeed, the permanency/darkvision argument is reasonable and sound. The text of permanency makes clear that with the initial spell (darkvision) you have to cast it on yourself immediately prior to casting permanency on yourself.
The implication is that while there are no other overt references that contest the written word of range spells, that the individuals who compiled the core rules intended it to be that way.
But that's all a moot point now for two reasons. The first is that GM already told him no, and the second is that,... well you'll hear soon enough.
Don't kid yourself into thinking this is an isolated issue though.
>>113039
>GM already told him no
Do you have the post to confirm it?
What about the other examples presented like Cure X Wounds?
I feel it's not, but sounds more like interpretations more than absolute truth from either party in this situation.
>GM already told him no
Do you have the post to confirm it?
What about the other examples presented like Cure X Wounds?
I feel it's not, but sounds more like interpretations more than absolute truth from either party in this situation.
>>113039
You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says, but when you make an incorrect assertion that supposedly applies to all touch range spells and abilities, I'm going to speak up about it.
Can I please just ask that you just mind your own character? It's really not your call to make.
You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says, but when you make an incorrect assertion that supposedly applies to all touch range spells and abilities, I'm going to speak up about it.
Can I please just ask that you just mind your own character? It's really not your call to make.
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>>113105
You do want your character stop Discord, right? Or do you want to fail intentionally and make the cowe sad and bitter?
You do want your character stop Discord, right? Or do you want to fail intentionally and make the cowe sad and bitter?
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>>113108
Ninja Cowe didn't seem like a bitter individual to me, but I don't really know very much about her yet. She's rather cryptic.
Ninja Cowe didn't seem like a bitter individual to me, but I don't really know very much about her yet. She's rather cryptic.
>>113109
>>113110
This is why I said OOC, you're a team, too.
Let Ash talk it out to the GM.
Because for all intents and purposes, he's the one with the authority to accept or reject any PCs actions, since he's the God of this world.
>>113112
I honestly don't care about individuals' personalities or emotions in this instance. This dumb stuff needs to be stopped at the roots, because this only increases tensions between players in the long run.
>>113110
This is why I said OOC, you're a team, too.
Let Ash talk it out to the GM.
Because for all intents and purposes, he's the one with the authority to accept or reject any PCs actions, since he's the God of this world.
>>113112
I honestly don't care about individuals' personalities or emotions in this instance. This dumb stuff needs to be stopped at the roots, because this only increases tensions between players in the long run.
>>113112
Ninja cowe is dealing with a bunch of ponies she's never met before, doesn't know that she can trust, against a foe beyond her current comprehension.
Oh sure, she can bust some crazy moves and damage, but getting Thanos-snapped into a sunscreen bottle is outside her area of expertise. And no, she's not an extrovert when it comes to expressing herself.
Ninja cowe is dealing with a bunch of ponies she's never met before, doesn't know that she can trust, against a foe beyond her current comprehension.
Oh sure, she can bust some crazy moves and damage, but getting Thanos-snapped into a sunscreen bottle is outside her area of expertise. And no, she's not an extrovert when it comes to expressing herself.
>>113116
She does know the kirin dragonborn, and the unicorn-dragon-earth poner trio do want to stop Discord. Why would she distrust those ones after being placed in the same situation as her?
She does know the kirin dragonborn, and the unicorn-dragon-earth poner trio do want to stop Discord. Why would she distrust those ones after being placed in the same situation as her?
>>113119
At this point, she doesn't know anything. She knows that the Kirin has amazing powers, but Discord had amazing powers.
At this point, she doesn't know anything. She knows that the Kirin has amazing powers, but Discord had amazing powers.
>>113123
Oh. She's disheartened over the foe before her.
But she did witness Discord's entire arm being disintegrated as if an actual Thanos-snap deleted it.
She should therefore know that they are the key to restoring balance/order/harmony to the land and not all hope is lost.
Oh. She's disheartened over the foe before her.
But she did witness Discord's entire arm being disintegrated as if an actual Thanos-snap deleted it.
She should therefore know that they are the key to restoring balance/order/harmony to the land and not all hope is lost.
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>>113109
Increasing Ability stats with spells at epic level isn't hard at all. I can get a +32 untyped bonus to Strength with Giant Size as a personal Domain spell, and an additional +12 enhancement bonus to Strength With Bite Of The Weretiger, to myself or to a party member. If you add that to a Legendary Bear Or Spinosaurus's 36 racial Strength score, you're looking at 80 Strength right there, 85 after the +5 inherent bonus. A Garngroth has 46 racial strength, so that can get up to 95. If I can think of any 8th or lower Cleric spell that gives a Sacred bonus to strength, it could possibly be 100+, if the need arose for such a mega-hyper-overkill boost to raw strength. I could persist all of those spells right now with the Tome Dragon's Free metamagic, but that'd feel unnecessarily abusive...
And with an epic spell using the Fortify seed, there's no upper limit to how much i could increase my stats with enough mitigation. A permanent +30 Enhancement bonus to Wisdom is technically within my reach, but it's not like my character has time to develop such spells to increase her personal power when she's busy playing whack-a-mole with chocolate clouds. Also, that'd be simply too cheesy, and I know Epic Spellcasting is ludicrously broken so I'm a bit wary of pushing it's boundaries (which is why I haven't developed my own spell yet...).
I even prepared Extended Owl's Insight again today even though it'll last 48 hours for me, in case another party member needed a buff. I prepared Bite Of the weretiger too, even though my Shapechanging abilities don't leave me wishing for anymore strength.
>>113116
>>113123
Does Cowe wish to join the legendary battle? Cowe could succeed if she made some good friends that could buff her up to Hercules level strength.
>>113119
And the kirin is very, very convicted in her plight to get rid of the jackass who's been making the bubblegum clouds rain chocolate.
Increasing Ability stats with spells at epic level isn't hard at all. I can get a +32 untyped bonus to Strength with Giant Size as a personal Domain spell, and an additional +12 enhancement bonus to Strength With Bite Of The Weretiger, to myself or to a party member. If you add that to a Legendary Bear Or Spinosaurus's 36 racial Strength score, you're looking at 80 Strength right there, 85 after the +5 inherent bonus. A Garngroth has 46 racial strength, so that can get up to 95. If I can think of any 8th or lower Cleric spell that gives a Sacred bonus to strength, it could possibly be 100+, if the need arose for such a mega-hyper-overkill boost to raw strength. I could persist all of those spells right now with the Tome Dragon's Free metamagic, but that'd feel unnecessarily abusive...
And with an epic spell using the Fortify seed, there's no upper limit to how much i could increase my stats with enough mitigation. A permanent +30 Enhancement bonus to Wisdom is technically within my reach, but it's not like my character has time to develop such spells to increase her personal power when she's busy playing whack-a-mole with chocolate clouds. Also, that'd be simply too cheesy, and I know Epic Spellcasting is ludicrously broken so I'm a bit wary of pushing it's boundaries (which is why I haven't developed my own spell yet...).
I even prepared Extended Owl's Insight again today even though it'll last 48 hours for me, in case another party member needed a buff. I prepared Bite Of the weretiger too, even though my Shapechanging abilities don't leave me wishing for anymore strength.
>>113116
>>113123
Does Cowe wish to join the legendary battle? Cowe could succeed if she made some good friends that could buff her up to Hercules level strength.
>>113119
And the kirin is very, very convicted in her plight to get rid of the jackass who's been making the bubblegum clouds rain chocolate.
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I need an opinion.
Which mane color looks better?
Which mane color looks better?
>>113125
>>113127
That doesn't translate into confidence in her apparent allies
>>113130
She already has herculean strength, thanks to an artifact item GM-approve-stacked with another item. That's not the point. Also, those bonuses don't stack outside GM's approval. And THAT is the crux of my objections.
>85
>95
>fucking 100+
If you think this is how the game mechanics were intended, we're clearly playing different games
>>113127
That doesn't translate into confidence in her apparent allies
>>113130
She already has herculean strength, thanks to an artifact item GM-approve-stacked with another item. That's not the point. Also, those bonuses don't stack outside GM's approval. And THAT is the crux of my objections.
>85
>95
>fucking 100+
If you think this is how the game mechanics were intended, we're clearly playing different games
>>113136
What's the alternative? Fight the chaos deity on her own? Why not take advantage of the bold/stupid ponies who are clearly intent on fighting the discordant element with or without her? One clearly hammered the cultist who summoned her while the other summoned a huge ectoplasmic beast out of nowhere and has both a dragon, an Earth Pony and thousand of followers. It should be enough to at least convince cowe to stick by them.
Although I would get it if she's not so sure about Candy, since she didn't have a chance to show her powers.
What's the alternative? Fight the chaos deity on her own? Why not take advantage of the bold/stupid ponies who are clearly intent on fighting the discordant element with or without her? One clearly hammered the cultist who summoned her while the other summoned a huge ectoplasmic beast out of nowhere and has both a dragon, an Earth Pony and thousand of followers. It should be enough to at least convince cowe to stick by them.
Although I would get it if she's not so sure about Candy, since she didn't have a chance to show her powers.
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>>113136
Nothing in the game works outside of GM approval.
RAW, those bonuses absolutely stack, but it's not like I've actually done it or intend to do it unless the sudden need arose to throw a mountain-sized object into the sun, since it eclipses class niches and that's lame. It was just an example of how bonuses can go really high if buffed by an epic spellcaster. At epic level, literally anything is plausible. An Optimized War Hulk + Hulking Hurler can throw planet sized objects and deal damage that scales by strength. A lvl 25 Necromancer could potentially develop a spell that could channel all of the souls on the planet into one gem and use said souls to grant himself an infinite enhancement bonus to int.
Also, you came into the game with an artifact item as starting equipment and now you're accusing me of questionable conduct? You don't see me complaining.
Nothing in the game works outside of GM approval.
RAW, those bonuses absolutely stack, but it's not like I've actually done it or intend to do it unless the sudden need arose to throw a mountain-sized object into the sun, since it eclipses class niches and that's lame. It was just an example of how bonuses can go really high if buffed by an epic spellcaster. At epic level, literally anything is plausible. An Optimized War Hulk + Hulking Hurler can throw planet sized objects and deal damage that scales by strength. A lvl 25 Necromancer could potentially develop a spell that could channel all of the souls on the planet into one gem and use said souls to grant himself an infinite enhancement bonus to int.
Also, you came into the game with an artifact item as starting equipment and now you're accusing me of questionable conduct? You don't see me complaining.
>>113141
>pinched nipple
Have you forgotten the turtle literally doing a fireworks show by using its 47 spell slots on her?
I ask again. What alternative do you have? You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
>pinched nipple
Have you forgotten the turtle literally doing a fireworks show by using its 47 spell slots on her?
I ask again. What alternative do you have? You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
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>>113144
Spellfire. Quite the interesting power, despite the crappy 3.0 mechanics.
The damage sucks, and I wouldn't normally consider the feat on any other character, but boy is it fancy.
Spellfire. Quite the interesting power, despite the crappy 3.0 mechanics.
The damage sucks, and I wouldn't normally consider the feat on any other character, but boy is it fancy.
And it looks like game night is cancelled... Too bad, I was really hoping to play tonight.
>>113153
Me too.
However, he may appear in a moment's notice. It's too early to call it over for today.
Me too.
However, he may appear in a moment's notice. It's too early to call it over for today.
[meditates in Druidic]
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>>113169
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Imma tell Topaz you're bullying me. She'll kick your flank, you overgrown fern!"
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Imma tell Topaz you're bullying me. She'll kick your flank, you overgrown fern!"
>>113170
>overgrown fern
Oof...
*Combs mane*
[Insert more Draconic banter here]
>"Lol u gonna run over to your mommy, fence-sitter?" XP
[smug Dragonborn noises]
>overgrown fern
Oof...
*Combs mane*
[Insert more Draconic banter here]
>"Lol u gonna run over to your mommy, fence-sitter?" XP
[smug Dragonborn noises]
>>113171
[claw digging intensifies]
>"S-shut up! You're just jealous I have a caring owner"
*dragon rubbing unsuspecting unicorn in progress.
"You really are quite energetic today, Phospy."
*pat pat*
>"Check mate, insect homestead."
[claw digging intensifies]
>"S-shut up! You're just jealous I have a caring owner"
*dragon rubbing unsuspecting unicorn in progress.
"You really are quite energetic today, Phospy."
*pat pat*
>"Check mate, insect homestead."
>>113172
Oh shit.
Well now I'm jealous.
*sectarian violence escalates*
[Draconic banter of a 750 year old unwed mare]
>"I-I-I.. I don't need that. Jealousy is beneath me. Bahamut be praised."
*Kicks the soil slightly*
Oh shit.
Well now I'm jealous.
*sectarian violence escalates*
[Draconic banter of a 750 year old unwed mare]
>"I-I-I.. I don't need that. Jealousy is beneath me. Bahamut be praised."
*Kicks the soil slightly*
>>113173
[Smug dragon grin intensifies]
"You aren't getting into trouble now, are you, Phospy?"
[Smug dragon grin stops. Commecing sweating and intense shaking of the head.]
"...you're awfully wetter than you usually are. You haven't been messing with the nice kirin, have you?"
[Sweating intensifies]
>"S-she star-"
"None of that, you say sorry right now."
>"B-bu-"
"No buts! Go say sorry!"
*whimper*
>"S-sorry for being not nice, quadruped."
*kicks the soil slightly*
[Smug dragon grin intensifies]
"You aren't getting into trouble now, are you, Phospy?"
[Smug dragon grin stops. Commecing sweating and intense shaking of the head.]
"...you're awfully wetter than you usually are. You haven't been messing with the nice kirin, have you?"
[Sweating intensifies]
>"S-she star-"
"None of that, you say sorry right now."
>"B-bu-"
"No buts! Go say sorry!"
*whimper*
>"S-sorry for being not nice, quadruped."
*kicks the soil slightly*
Best language.
>>113177
"Now hug it out, you two."
>"W-what?! I'm n-"
"Do you want me to repeat myself?"
>"N-no..."
*opens arms for possible kirin hugs*
"Now hug it out, you two."
>"W-what?! I'm n-"
"Do you want me to repeat myself?"
>"N-no..."
*opens arms for possible kirin hugs*
>>113179
[Flustered Dragon noises]
>"D-don't expect it to become normal or anything."
*giggling gem-named unicorn in close vicinity*
[Flustered Dragon noises]
>"D-don't expect it to become normal or anything."
*giggling gem-named unicorn in close vicinity*
>>113186
*steamy exhale*
>"S-stop it! I am a dragon! I am to be feared and respected!"
*Topaz pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"N-not you too!"
*whimper whimper*
*steamy exhale*
>"S-stop it! I am a dragon! I am to be feared and respected!"
*Topaz pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"N-not you too!"
*whimper whimper*
>>113190
Giggling newt noises
"Then comes love, then comes marriage then comes another kirin in a baby carriage."
Giggling newt noises
"Then comes love, then comes marriage then comes another kirin in a baby carriage."
*watches newt fly over the horizon*
"Alcoholism.. not even once."
"Alcoholism.. not even once."
I just realized I forgot to specify my 10th level spells.
I guess it'll be Time Duplicate and Crown Of Vermin then.
I guess it'll be Time Duplicate and Crown Of Vermin then.
>>113217
You're technically correct, my good sir.
I am but a humble player in the grand cosmos. What business brought you here, stranger?
You're technically correct, my good sir.
I am but a humble player in the grand cosmos. What business brought you here, stranger?
>>113221
CL 42? I think that's not what you think it means.
I guess I'll roll, sure.
[1d20+26 = 29]
<???
CL 42? I think that's not what you think it means.
I guess I'll roll, sure.
[1d20+26 = 29]
<???
>>113226
Come now player, it hasn’t been THAT long. Or has it? I can never tell
No good will come of this. ~_~
Come now player, it hasn’t been THAT long. Or has it? I can never tell
No good will come of this. ~_~
>>113228
Caster level? Yes it means precisely that
A purplish form with bright pink hai coalesces in the sky.
What? Gm abdicated, so there is nothing preventing me from manifesting.
>>113228
By the way, you are eliminated down to your very essence. I do hope someone in the periphery can wish you back, not that it’s of any concern to me
Caster level? Yes it means precisely that
A purplish form with bright pink hai coalesces in the sky.
What? Gm abdicated, so there is nothing preventing me from manifesting.
>>113228
By the way, you are eliminated down to your very essence. I do hope someone in the periphery can wish you back, not that it’s of any concern to me
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>>113239
>No GM
Well I guess I'll just stop time, planeshift into the Astral plane, use Shapechange and Time Duplicate to use a Sarrukh's Manipulate Form on myself, make it a free action, and grant myself every ability of every monster and every class, become immune to every possible attack, and gain infinitely high stats in every category.
>No GM
Well I guess I'll just stop time, planeshift into the Astral plane, use Shapechange and Time Duplicate to use a Sarrukh's Manipulate Form on myself, make it a free action, and grant myself every ability of every monster and every class, become immune to every possible attack, and gain infinitely high stats in every category.
Hm...
This seems a bit forced in my opinion.
I know it can get boring out there, but creating something is better than mere destruction of others' belongings.
>>113243
Kek. Nice move.
This seems a bit forced in my opinion.
I know it can get boring out there, but creating something is better than mere destruction of others' belongings.
>>113243
Kek. Nice move.
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>>113246
Kirin fool, you waste my time!
<whoooof>
Initiate maneuver, Time Stands Still
You’re not gonna make me draw this out are you?
Kirin fool, you waste my time!
<whoooof>
Initiate maneuver, Time Stands Still
You’re not gonna make me draw this out are you?
>>113248
9th level diamond mind Maneuver that gives you a second full round of attacks the turn you initiate it.
Pun Pun can do it too, as a free action, as many times per turn as he pleases.
9th level diamond mind Maneuver that gives you a second full round of attacks the turn you initiate it.
Pun Pun can do it too, as a free action, as many times per turn as he pleases.
>>113252
And what about that random saving throw?
I assume he did it because he was spooked of my character and what it could do.
And what about that random saving throw?
I assume he did it because he was spooked of my character and what it could do.
>>113255
He's just flaunting his OC's character level. That's an SLA with a caster level based on total hit dice.
He's just flaunting his OC's character level. That's an SLA with a caster level based on total hit dice.
>>113248
*Grabs Candy by the scruff*. You and I have unfinished business!
This strange entrant glares at everyone.
This one is mine!
>>113252
Yes, after her round is resolved
<whooof>
Aaaaand she’s gone. As the whisps that we’re her form dissipate, her disembodied voice taunts: Too bad you’re not Pun pun fagit! Ha! Not only did I take what I wanted, but you also revealed your hand! Get gud fgt!
And with that, the crazy bitch Hey! vanishes with Candy in tow. For now.
*Grabs Candy by the scruff*. You and I have unfinished business!
This strange entrant glares at everyone.
This one is mine!
>>113252
Yes, after her round is resolved
<whooof>
Aaaaand she’s gone. As the whisps that we’re her form dissipate, her disembodied voice taunts: Too bad you’re not Pun pun fagit! Ha! Not only did I take what I wanted, but you also revealed your hand! Get gud fgt!
And with that, the crazy bitch Hey! vanishes with Candy in tow. For now.
>>113264
Caster level doesn't matter for Destruction for any purpose other than to overcome spell resistence. It's a Charisma-based Fortitude save DC.
Caster level doesn't matter for Destruction for any purpose other than to overcome spell resistence. It's a Charisma-based Fortitude save DC.
>>113271
I honestly don't know what you were expecting at this point.
You know Ash is the most competent and knowledgable on spells, and you're delving in the most complex area of Epic Level Casting(TM). You're basically screwed even if you wield an OC with immense power, because she knows any and all counters.
I honestly don't know what you were expecting at this point.
You know Ash is the most competent and knowledgable on spells, and you're delving in the most complex area of Epic Level Casting(TM). You're basically screwed even if you wield an OC with immense power, because she knows any and all counters.
>>113273
It’s so sad that you think that. Oh well, ignorance is bliss after all. She got what she came for you will still need a resurrection btw
It’s so sad that you think that. Oh well, ignorance is bliss after all. She got what she came for you will still need a resurrection btw
>>113273
Nah, he knows what he's talking about. It's just some late-night shitposting.
It's not really a contest anyway. Becoming Pun Pun was just a joke about "the DM abdicated". A lvl 4 character can become omnipotent in one round if you abuse infinite loops.
The only creature that can theoretically beat Pun Pun is the Omnificer: a lvl 4 elf Artificer that threw himself off a cliff with Masocism and Favor Of The Martyr to sustain an infinite damage loop and instantly grant himself infinite stats. And even so, the way he beats Pun Pun isn't even clear. It's just evident that the lvl 4 omninipotent onicient character being slightly more impressive than the lvl 5 one.
>>113278
*Wishes everything back to normal*
Nah, he knows what he's talking about. It's just some late-night shitposting.
It's not really a contest anyway. Becoming Pun Pun was just a joke about "the DM abdicated". A lvl 4 character can become omnipotent in one round if you abuse infinite loops.
The only creature that can theoretically beat Pun Pun is the Omnificer: a lvl 4 elf Artificer that threw himself off a cliff with Masocism and Favor Of The Martyr to sustain an infinite damage loop and instantly grant himself infinite stats. And even so, the way he beats Pun Pun isn't even clear. It's just evident that the lvl 4 omninipotent onicient character being slightly more impressive than the lvl 5 one.
>>113278
*Wishes everything back to normal*
>>113280
Oh to be so naive
Oh to be so naive
>>113285
That it does.. I only know it's shitposting because I have a tiny bit of context.
It seems as though Anon let his Tulpa out of the box again.
That it does.. I only know it's shitposting because I have a tiny bit of context.
It seems as though Anon let his Tulpa out of the box again.
>>113289
I did read my share of Tulpa stories, but they usually turn comical or are otherwise LARPers with extra steps.
I must admit, it's quite the boring one overall.
I did read my share of Tulpa stories, but they usually turn comical or are otherwise LARPers with extra steps.
I must admit, it's quite the boring one overall.
>>113290
Idk what to say right now.
It's almost 3 AM where I am and my brain has almost completely turned to mush now so that I can't really formulate a rational response to any of this autism.
I'm going to try to force myself to sleep. I'm only still up because I pumped a bunch of different energy stimulents with the anticipation of playing games all night.
Goodnight, Anons.
Idk what to say right now.
It's almost 3 AM where I am and my brain has almost completely turned to mush now so that I can't really formulate a rational response to any of this autism.
I'm going to try to force myself to sleep. I'm only still up because I pumped a bunch of different energy stimulents with the anticipation of playing games all night.
Goodnight, Anons.
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I guess, I will throw in my interpretation of what he meant.
I think our Cowe player meant that his character had some minor reservations to join the party in its fight against Discord just as my character has. I think his real problem, however, is that he doesn't like that Ash is over powered and that is what his main point is.
Let me just say that, Ash is actually my favorite chracter in the party, personality-wise. I guess, it is because she values things I value, like: Religion, higher ideals, dedication, children, and nature. So obviously, I like her, however.
She is a Mary Sue. Maybe this is a consequnence of playing on such a high level but Ash has no weakness she hasn't covered. She can only be overpowered (Discord) not outmanuvered (Example: The GM expoits her weaknesses in an encounter). I can point to several examples on why I think this throughout this thread but I will just use the fact that she could teleport the elements of harmony to her. Ending the campagin before it really began.
>>113144
>You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
Yes, that is true but the reverse question is more intresting. Would Ash be able to finish this campagin solo by herself? Yes, I can totally see that happening.
So, like I am a newbie so I can't tell you which ones' interpretation of the rules is right when it comes to touch and personel teleportation. I thought the arguments against teleportation through touching yourself were stronger but I am in no position to know so I won't touch on it. My opinion doesn't matter. However, I don't think that's the main issue here.
It is the ridiculous flexibility of Ash's powers. I would have said that they cheapen the story's tension if we weren't fighting against Discord himself. Now, the only problem I see with it is also proabably the problem the Cowe player sees. Because of the wide range of powers Ash posses there is nothing Cowe has that she could add to the team, no specialization that Ash doesn't already have. Ash is probably better than Cowe in everyway. Ash has made Cowe extranous to the adventure and therefore there is no intrest for that player to play the game.
To a degree this is okay with me because I am fine with playing a side chracter while someone else plays the main character but I can see why some others would have a problem with it and in this case, I might be projecting from my limited understanding of the game, it seems my character would add nothing to the progression of the plot.
Okay, this might be a bit cunty and passive agressive but I think this vid is basically what I mean, I think. Not everything applies to the this situation, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHCGiqrblqg
I think our Cowe player meant that his character had some minor reservations to join the party in its fight against Discord just as my character has. I think his real problem, however, is that he doesn't like that Ash is over powered and that is what his main point is.
Let me just say that, Ash is actually my favorite chracter in the party, personality-wise. I guess, it is because she values things I value, like: Religion, higher ideals, dedication, children, and nature. So obviously, I like her, however.
She is a Mary Sue. Maybe this is a consequnence of playing on such a high level but Ash has no weakness she hasn't covered. She can only be overpowered (Discord) not outmanuvered (Example: The GM expoits her weaknesses in an encounter). I can point to several examples on why I think this throughout this thread but I will just use the fact that she could teleport the elements of harmony to her. Ending the campagin before it really began.
>>113144
>You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
Yes, that is true but the reverse question is more intresting. Would Ash be able to finish this campagin solo by herself? Yes, I can totally see that happening.
So, like I am a newbie so I can't tell you which ones' interpretation of the rules is right when it comes to touch and personel teleportation. I thought the arguments against teleportation through touching yourself were stronger but I am in no position to know so I won't touch on it. My opinion doesn't matter. However, I don't think that's the main issue here.
It is the ridiculous flexibility of Ash's powers. I would have said that they cheapen the story's tension if we weren't fighting against Discord himself. Now, the only problem I see with it is also proabably the problem the Cowe player sees. Because of the wide range of powers Ash posses there is nothing Cowe has that she could add to the team, no specialization that Ash doesn't already have. Ash is probably better than Cowe in everyway. Ash has made Cowe extranous to the adventure and therefore there is no intrest for that player to play the game.
To a degree this is okay with me because I am fine with playing a side chracter while someone else plays the main character but I can see why some others would have a problem with it and in this case, I might be projecting from my limited understanding of the game, it seems my character would add nothing to the progression of the plot.
Okay, this might be a bit cunty and passive agressive but I think this vid is basically what I mean, I think. Not everything applies to the this situation, of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHCGiqrblqg
>>113296
I guess the counter-argument for this is that this is an epic level campagin so obviously your character can do everything. This is kinda the reason I am thinking about quit playing this campagin because playing such a powerful chracter does not intrest me.
I guess the counter-argument for this is that this is an epic level campagin so obviously your character can do everything. This is kinda the reason I am thinking about quit playing this campagin because playing such a powerful chracter does not intrest me.
>>113296
No, that pretty much sums it up for me. Here's a snippet of a Discord conversation between me (Cowe) and Ash's player, that in his own words illustrates my frustration.
C: "Oh? How many times did your character get age bonuses?"
A: "Twice."
For reference characters gain stats as they age - specifically Intelligence and Wisdom - in exchange for a loss of Str, Dex, and Con,... unless they reverse age themselves, then they get to keep the bonuses but recoup the losses, which was apparently done twice, a flagrant sploit by any measure.
"And you know what, I'll admit that I really did pump up my PCs capabilities. [...] I replaced her Exalted Feats with Epic feats using the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle method. I gave her her ability to turn undead, making her CaDzilla. I went ahead and picked the best ways to increase my stats, or at least as far as I could within the limits of Vow Of Poverty (which I considered to be a handicap that favored flavor over power). I took the most powerful PrC available to druids. I built her so that she could potentially kill a deity, because I expected we might have to. Sue me.
Thing is, when I made this character, I didn't just mean to make her a typical Ascetic Druid, like she was in the other game. I built her to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils [...] to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils"
No, that pretty much sums it up for me. Here's a snippet of a Discord conversation between me (Cowe) and Ash's player, that in his own words illustrates my frustration.
C: "Oh? How many times did your character get age bonuses?"
A: "Twice."
For reference characters gain stats as they age - specifically Intelligence and Wisdom - in exchange for a loss of Str, Dex, and Con,... unless they reverse age themselves, then they get to keep the bonuses but recoup the losses, which was apparently done twice, a flagrant sploit by any measure.
"And you know what, I'll admit that I really did pump up my PCs capabilities. [...] I replaced her Exalted Feats with Epic feats using the Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle method. I gave her her ability to turn undead, making her CaDzilla. I went ahead and picked the best ways to increase my stats, or at least as far as I could within the limits of Vow Of Poverty (which I considered to be a handicap that favored flavor over power). I took the most powerful PrC available to druids. I built her so that she could potentially kill a deity, because I expected we might have to. Sue me.
Thing is, when I made this character, I didn't just mean to make her a typical Ascetic Druid, like she was in the other game. I built her to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils [...] to represent the oldest and strongest druid in history, fit for an epic adventure. She was meant to be a time-traveling planar guardian Messiah figure with the mission to protect the world from the greatest of evils"
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>>113299
And yet the last time I dared to mention Discord, I found that my posts had been edited/deleted...
I am peeved.
Can I just say, could you give me a fucking chance? All this time, you've been complaining about how potentially derailing my character might be by virtue of her tier 1 class powers, when this game has barely even started, and the party hasn't even been faced with any major battle. Sure, my PC is optimized, but it's not like I was intentionally trying to derail the game or make it all about myself like some kind of massive turbo-faggot. We haven't entered combat even once yet, so why has all this dick-measuring started so early? Do you think that just because I played a tier 1 caster who could fill any role, that I wouldn't leave any role open to the players who wanted them? You seem to believe that I'm going to just hog all of the spotlight and flex on everpony because I supposedly have so sense of self-control or fun? If I wanted to do the whole campaign by myself, i wouldn't play D&D; I'd just write a fantasy novel. Do you think I'm such a terrible sport that this game can't be fun just because my character is high-OP?
But I have to say, should you really be complaining about balance when you chose to play a monk in a party that had 4 spellcasters? You know as well as I do that 3.5e isn't even close to balanced when it comes to base classes. A low-OP druid is always going to be more powerful than a high-OP monk; that's just a failure of game design. Despite that, it's still completely possible to play a good game, so long as every party member focuses on their PC instead of dick-measuring with the others. Everybody in the party is supposed to have their particular role; how powerful each PC is in their particular niche shouldn't necessarily be problem for the rest of the party.
In the three weeks before the campaign began, the rest of us were having fun trying to make the most awesome characters, but you wouldn't say anything about your character or how to improve your build. I asked you multiple times what role you wanted your character to play in the party. I did so persistently because I wanted to avoid eclipsing your desired party niche, like let you handle 80% of the melee, or stealth missions, or reconnaissance, or grappling, or whatever it is you wanted to do in this game. Every time I asked you, you only gave me cryptic, unproductive, sometimes ominous responses while saying you were "foreshadowing". You refused to tell the group anything about what you wanted to do, and even two weeks into the game you still hadn't made your character sheet, and now you wonder why my PC, and the rest of the party, seems so powerful compared to yours? What did you expect? What did you even want out of this, if it took you so long to bring it up?
And after all this, why is it my character in particular that bothers you so much? Sure, she's optimized, but not even a quarter as powerful as she could have been if i decided to use items. We've got a Queen-of-All-Psions with 2000+ believers, who commands two other characters. We've got an artificer with the capability to replicate the powers of every spellcasting class (including mine) if given the resources. I'm not the only player high-power player here.
All the significant story actions my character has performed so far are:
>cast a heroes feast to give the party and town a free meal/buff
>dispel a few bubblegum-chocolate clouds
>Gate in Topaz's believers, for everypony's convenience
>Try to scry on one of the quest items in the dragonlands, only to find that (shocker) there was a dragon there
>Attempt to pinch one of the main villains to death, knowing very well that I couldn't kill her
>try to summon a monster to guard the town while we were away
>Cast one (1!) buffing spell on herself to prepare for the next fight
Of these actions, do any of them really seem so game-breaking unbalanced? I was just trying to fill roles i saw that the rest of the party may have not wanted to; and did my best to progress the story along smoothly. If i wanted to be an ass, I would have just teleported to the dragonlands alone and tried to finish that part of the quest all by myself, but I didn't because I'm not a faggot. And very little of this had anything to do with how optimized my character was; any Wizard, Cleric, or Druid could have done those things. If my character is so overpowered to the point that it eclipses the party, how has it shown?
And with all this, you've still repeatedly focused on my character instead of yours. With you it's always "he shouldn't have that!" instead of "can I get in on that?". When I cast one of my many, many potential buff spells on myself, you immediately started complaining that I shouldn't be able to use it, instead of asking to be buffed yourself. I even prepared the same exact spell for the day because i thought your character in particular could benefit from an Insight Bonus to Wisdom; I did that, because it's normal and polite for casters to buff their allies, because that's how teamwork works. Why does this have to be all about me?
And yet the last time I dared to mention Discord, I found that my posts had been edited/deleted...
I am peeved.
Can I just say, could you give me a fucking chance? All this time, you've been complaining about how potentially derailing my character might be by virtue of her tier 1 class powers, when this game has barely even started, and the party hasn't even been faced with any major battle. Sure, my PC is optimized, but it's not like I was intentionally trying to derail the game or make it all about myself like some kind of massive turbo-faggot. We haven't entered combat even once yet, so why has all this dick-measuring started so early? Do you think that just because I played a tier 1 caster who could fill any role, that I wouldn't leave any role open to the players who wanted them? You seem to believe that I'm going to just hog all of the spotlight and flex on everpony because I supposedly have so sense of self-control or fun? If I wanted to do the whole campaign by myself, i wouldn't play D&D; I'd just write a fantasy novel. Do you think I'm such a terrible sport that this game can't be fun just because my character is high-OP?
But I have to say, should you really be complaining about balance when you chose to play a monk in a party that had 4 spellcasters? You know as well as I do that 3.5e isn't even close to balanced when it comes to base classes. A low-OP druid is always going to be more powerful than a high-OP monk; that's just a failure of game design. Despite that, it's still completely possible to play a good game, so long as every party member focuses on their PC instead of dick-measuring with the others. Everybody in the party is supposed to have their particular role; how powerful each PC is in their particular niche shouldn't necessarily be problem for the rest of the party.
In the three weeks before the campaign began, the rest of us were having fun trying to make the most awesome characters, but you wouldn't say anything about your character or how to improve your build. I asked you multiple times what role you wanted your character to play in the party. I did so persistently because I wanted to avoid eclipsing your desired party niche, like let you handle 80% of the melee, or stealth missions, or reconnaissance, or grappling, or whatever it is you wanted to do in this game. Every time I asked you, you only gave me cryptic, unproductive, sometimes ominous responses while saying you were "foreshadowing". You refused to tell the group anything about what you wanted to do, and even two weeks into the game you still hadn't made your character sheet, and now you wonder why my PC, and the rest of the party, seems so powerful compared to yours? What did you expect? What did you even want out of this, if it took you so long to bring it up?
And after all this, why is it my character in particular that bothers you so much? Sure, she's optimized, but not even a quarter as powerful as she could have been if i decided to use items. We've got a Queen-of-All-Psions with 2000+ believers, who commands two other characters. We've got an artificer with the capability to replicate the powers of every spellcasting class (including mine) if given the resources. I'm not the only player high-power player here.
All the significant story actions my character has performed so far are:
>cast a heroes feast to give the party and town a free meal/buff
>dispel a few bubblegum-chocolate clouds
>Gate in Topaz's believers, for everypony's convenience
>Try to scry on one of the quest items in the dragonlands, only to find that (shocker) there was a dragon there
>Attempt to pinch one of the main villains to death, knowing very well that I couldn't kill her
>try to summon a monster to guard the town while we were away
>Cast one (1!) buffing spell on herself to prepare for the next fight
Of these actions, do any of them really seem so game-breaking unbalanced? I was just trying to fill roles i saw that the rest of the party may have not wanted to; and did my best to progress the story along smoothly. If i wanted to be an ass, I would have just teleported to the dragonlands alone and tried to finish that part of the quest all by myself, but I didn't because I'm not a faggot. And very little of this had anything to do with how optimized my character was; any Wizard, Cleric, or Druid could have done those things. If my character is so overpowered to the point that it eclipses the party, how has it shown?
And with all this, you've still repeatedly focused on my character instead of yours. With you it's always "he shouldn't have that!" instead of "can I get in on that?". When I cast one of my many, many potential buff spells on myself, you immediately started complaining that I shouldn't be able to use it, instead of asking to be buffed yourself. I even prepared the same exact spell for the day because i thought your character in particular could benefit from an Insight Bonus to Wisdom; I did that, because it's normal and polite for casters to buff their allies, because that's how teamwork works. Why does this have to be all about me?
Holy shit. I know my character is much stronger than yours; I'm a Druid and You're a Monk. That doesn't mean there's nothing for your character to do in the story though. Characters don't need to be balanced to have a fulfilling campaign. Why do you think my character is so imbalancing when we haven't even entered combat? Did you think I did not also promise GM that I wouldn't break the game, even if my character could?
What on earth do you expect me to do in order to make an Epic Druid on the same level of balance as a monk? Should she throw herself off a cliff and become quadriplegic? Even if I used Psychic Reformation to replace half of her feats with Skill Focus (underwater basket weaving), cut her primary casting stats in half, replaced all of her class levels with vanilla druid, and a paralyzed my PC from the waist down, she'd still be more powerful an optimized Monk; and quite frankly, I don't think you'd be satisfied with it.
What on earth do you expect me to do in order to make an Epic Druid on the same level of balance as a monk? Should she throw herself off a cliff and become quadriplegic? Even if I used Psychic Reformation to replace half of her feats with Skill Focus (underwater basket weaving), cut her primary casting stats in half, replaced all of her class levels with vanilla druid, and a paralyzed my PC from the waist down, she'd still be more powerful an optimized Monk; and quite frankly, I don't think you'd be satisfied with it.
>>113310
>Why didn't you talk about your character
Because that's literally meta. Our characters don't know one another, what their capabilities are, etc. and any meta-discussion would have colored any interactions or story progression. Considering that the party literally just met one another, what each character is capable of - especially their 'finishing moves' and/or A game - is not something that would be openly discussed, outside an after-battle "Hey, what you did there was awesome, how did you do that" or other such dialogue. And in my particular case, Monks don't tend to broadcast their moves to strangers, that shit is a closely guarded secret.
In our last session, my character literally concluded that "Well, these are my allies, I guess I'll make the best of it", and I was perfectly willing to just go with it. As far as the touch/personal argument, I had previously admitted that the permanency argument was sound and I was rethinking my position. With that said, as the rulebooks are literally written, your interpretation of spell range seemed to be contradicted in a way that drastically changes the gameplay style. And when GM made an official (on discord) ruling YOU are the one who wouldn't stop pressing the issue.
Beyond that - and this may come as a surprise to you - but its not unheard of for non spellcasters to be wary of spellcasters and magic in general outside what they can identify/comprehend with their own two eyes, since spellcasters are the bane of melee fighters.
In character, my character's first impression of Ash was one of brashness and arrogance, first running off to attack Discord without knowing the full extent of the situation and then she completely ignored her when she introduced herself afterward. In her mind, the situation with Discord could have been handled in a way that didn't result in everyone getting turned into beach-items, and she only learned Ash's name when she decided to make a grand, spectacular display to the townsponies (NOT the party), and no she didn't eat the food because sometimes that's a good way to get killed.
As for the psion character, I have issues with 2000 followers as well both in and out of character, but I don't have almost 2 years of experience playing with Argentina and was willing to see how it played out. (you) on the other hand, I have the benefit of countless hours of playing with, including an observable disregard for other players.
I get that druids are more powerful than monks but you're not playing a druid, you're playing a God-killer druid in anticipation of having to kill a God, which is meta AF.
As for my delayed character creation, I'm trying to run a business as well as other activities pertaining to the site as you well know and in the numerous PMs between me and GM, he expressed a willingness to accommodate my schedule. So yes, I took my time to ensure that I was painting precisely within the lines and on the rare occasion that I went outside the lines I was given express approval to do so in advance. (cont?)
>Why didn't you talk about your character
Because that's literally meta. Our characters don't know one another, what their capabilities are, etc. and any meta-discussion would have colored any interactions or story progression. Considering that the party literally just met one another, what each character is capable of - especially their 'finishing moves' and/or A game - is not something that would be openly discussed, outside an after-battle "Hey, what you did there was awesome, how did you do that" or other such dialogue. And in my particular case, Monks don't tend to broadcast their moves to strangers, that shit is a closely guarded secret.
In our last session, my character literally concluded that "Well, these are my allies, I guess I'll make the best of it", and I was perfectly willing to just go with it. As far as the touch/personal argument, I had previously admitted that the permanency argument was sound and I was rethinking my position. With that said, as the rulebooks are literally written, your interpretation of spell range seemed to be contradicted in a way that drastically changes the gameplay style. And when GM made an official (on discord) ruling YOU are the one who wouldn't stop pressing the issue.
Beyond that - and this may come as a surprise to you - but its not unheard of for non spellcasters to be wary of spellcasters and magic in general outside what they can identify/comprehend with their own two eyes, since spellcasters are the bane of melee fighters.
In character, my character's first impression of Ash was one of brashness and arrogance, first running off to attack Discord without knowing the full extent of the situation and then she completely ignored her when she introduced herself afterward. In her mind, the situation with Discord could have been handled in a way that didn't result in everyone getting turned into beach-items, and she only learned Ash's name when she decided to make a grand, spectacular display to the townsponies (NOT the party), and no she didn't eat the food because sometimes that's a good way to get killed.
As for the psion character, I have issues with 2000 followers as well both in and out of character, but I don't have almost 2 years of experience playing with Argentina and was willing to see how it played out. (you) on the other hand, I have the benefit of countless hours of playing with, including an observable disregard for other players.
I get that druids are more powerful than monks but you're not playing a druid, you're playing a God-killer druid in anticipation of having to kill a God, which is meta AF.
As for my delayed character creation, I'm trying to run a business as well as other activities pertaining to the site as you well know and in the numerous PMs between me and GM, he expressed a willingness to accommodate my schedule. So yes, I took my time to ensure that I was painting precisely within the lines and on the rare occasion that I went outside the lines I was given express approval to do so in advance. (cont?)
I'm not holding my breath nor are you obligated to offer an explanation, but if you think that a 60 Wis isn't absurd, then we're clearly at an impasse. I'm sure there are plenty more elements that are if not blatant then implicit exploitations of the rules, but that's an aside.
And if when Ash did something that seemed to violate either the letter or the spirit of the rules and I asked GM about it he had said "Its fine, I know about it" or some indication that he was aware of the possibility and could therefore factor it in, I wouldn't have said "boo", but every time I asked him something he expressed nescience and confusion.
As Sven aptly pointed out, having an extremely powerful character in the party results in one of two scenarios:
Either the BBEG has to be so powerful in order to supply a challenge to the party that a balanced (read: having weaknesses) character is rendered irrelevant, or the uber character eliminates the challenge of participating in the scenario.
If you could go a single session without gloating about having spare wishes if the party wants one, or otherwise going on about what you can do when you sploit this supplement combined with that supplement and a host of others I could have kept my mouth shut. But since I can't help but be bombarded with all sorts of unwanted information (including dodgy shit) about your character especially during actual game-time (which ruins the immersion) I opted to say something.
And if when Ash did something that seemed to violate either the letter or the spirit of the rules and I asked GM about it he had said "Its fine, I know about it" or some indication that he was aware of the possibility and could therefore factor it in, I wouldn't have said "boo", but every time I asked him something he expressed nescience and confusion.
As Sven aptly pointed out, having an extremely powerful character in the party results in one of two scenarios:
Either the BBEG has to be so powerful in order to supply a challenge to the party that a balanced (read: having weaknesses) character is rendered irrelevant, or the uber character eliminates the challenge of participating in the scenario.
If you could go a single session without gloating about having spare wishes if the party wants one, or otherwise going on about what you can do when you sploit this supplement combined with that supplement and a host of others I could have kept my mouth shut. But since I can't help but be bombarded with all sorts of unwanted information (including dodgy shit) about your character especially during actual game-time (which ruins the immersion) I opted to say something.
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>>113313
>that's literally meta
That's just preparing for a game. I'll admit that my experience with offline d&d isn't that vast, but every time involved everyone in the group planning and chatting about what role they wanted to play in the story.
>>113314
To be real, my character is not as powerful as she could be. I could easily get to 60+ Wisdom without having to sacrifice 7 turn undead attempts if I had afforded my character the ability to use epic items (after all, my enhancement bonuses only progress by level). If I had made my PC neutral instead of good, she could cast both sanctified and corrupt spells. My PC is only about 1/4th as powerful as an optimized tier 1 caster could be (without exploiting infinite loops), but i didn't just build her for power, I built her to accurately represent the role I wanted to play. I only took this stupidly under-powered Vow Of Poverty feat because playing an artificer left me with a subtle disdain of how unapologetically broken the 3.5e item system is.
Sure, my PC is made to fight gods, but isn't that what the campaign is about? There are a lot of epic monsters who are actual gods with actual deific powers that could wipe out the entire party on the surprise round if unprepared. I built a character with powers appropriate for what I expected to encounter in an epic level adventure. Sealing a reality-warping chaos deity that can thanos-snap you into a turnip with no save requires nothing but an optimized character. I've seen the ELH suggestions for epic level adventures and the Elder Evils adventure modules. Epic level is a high-crunch, powergamed, rocket-tag setting where a single unblocked attack can mean certain doom for an entire party.
A gibbering orb can shoot 24 ray attacks at once, followed by 12 bite attacks, each with a chance for Improved Grab and a chance to swallow whole, then devouring all of the swallowed caster's spells and using them against the rest of the party, as a standard action. To counter that, I made a planar shepherd that had access to incorporeal forms to avoid being zapped, grabbed and eaten and have all of my spells sucked out on the surprise round.
A Protean, which is at exactly this party's CR, can duplicate any extraordinary ability as a free action. That means that it can make iself immune to every kind of spell (wil-o-wisp), split into infinite copies of itself (black pudding), Become incorporeal, gain any kind of damage reduction, duplicate any Ironheart, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw, or Diamond mind maneuver (those are extraordinary abilities too), give itself temporary access to any feat, make iself immune to any kind of energy damage, change size from fine to colossal, ... etc. Oh, and it regenerates like a Tarrasque, and it has Dimensional Door, Detect Thoughts, and Planeshift at-will. It basically combines all of the nastiest parts of a Phasm, a Chaos Beast, and a Tarrasque, in addition to every other kind of creature that could kill a party member in one round. I strongly expect to fight a bunch of those because they're the epic monsters most closely associated with chaos and randomness. Sure, my character could try to escape from it, but not before it killed-off a party member and/or killed a bunch of innocent poners. To avoid absolute massacre, the only way to counter a monster like that is with immediate action, permanent, and persistent divination buffs, to warn the rest of the party that an nigh-invincible chaos spawn just manifested; then you would need to buff-up all of the party's martial characters so that they could deal enough nonlethal damage in the next several rounds to keep it from concentrating on teleportation so that they can knock it out and a spell-caster could use a wish or miracle to keep it dead. You need a spell-caster for that, and a spell-caster with greater spell-casting capabilities than a druid. Since it looked like there wasn't going to be any wizards or clerics in the party (at the time), I figured i'd try to get access to miracle and warp destiny through the Bonus domain feat. I made a character with Divine Metamagic so I could buff my allies and have those buffs last all day, so they wouldn't be easy-meat for epic monsters.
Then there's Infernal abominations who, thanks to their deific abomination traits, could slip through all of my divinations and defensive wards, grab me, bite me in throat and suck out my spells. How can I counter that? I really don't know. I'd just have to buff up the rest of the party and hope they can defend me from it while i try to pin it down with spells.
Then there's the possibility of a demilich, an optimized wizard, cleric or sorcerer impervious to all magic except for holy smite and kills you if it touches you. That's a monster that possesses all of the abilities my PC has, and much much more. I'd be afraid of fighting that, because the only way to deal with it would be to layer a fuckton of defensive wards and buff the party so they hopefully someone can damage it's astral projection hard enough and quickly enough for it to return to its private demiplane.
But really, there's a lot of stuff in those books that I don't think my PC could handle, let alone defend the rest of the party +2000 believers from. What if a Shape of Fire attacked and burned Topaz's believers and reanimated them all into an endless sea of lavawights? That would kill us unless you had a way to see into the future and stop the catastrophe from happening in the first place.
I built a god-fighter PC because CR 25 means fighting literal gods.
>that's literally meta
That's just preparing for a game. I'll admit that my experience with offline d&d isn't that vast, but every time involved everyone in the group planning and chatting about what role they wanted to play in the story.
>>113314
To be real, my character is not as powerful as she could be. I could easily get to 60+ Wisdom without having to sacrifice 7 turn undead attempts if I had afforded my character the ability to use epic items (after all, my enhancement bonuses only progress by level). If I had made my PC neutral instead of good, she could cast both sanctified and corrupt spells. My PC is only about 1/4th as powerful as an optimized tier 1 caster could be (without exploiting infinite loops), but i didn't just build her for power, I built her to accurately represent the role I wanted to play. I only took this stupidly under-powered Vow Of Poverty feat because playing an artificer left me with a subtle disdain of how unapologetically broken the 3.5e item system is.
Sure, my PC is made to fight gods, but isn't that what the campaign is about? There are a lot of epic monsters who are actual gods with actual deific powers that could wipe out the entire party on the surprise round if unprepared. I built a character with powers appropriate for what I expected to encounter in an epic level adventure. Sealing a reality-warping chaos deity that can thanos-snap you into a turnip with no save requires nothing but an optimized character. I've seen the ELH suggestions for epic level adventures and the Elder Evils adventure modules. Epic level is a high-crunch, powergamed, rocket-tag setting where a single unblocked attack can mean certain doom for an entire party.
A gibbering orb can shoot 24 ray attacks at once, followed by 12 bite attacks, each with a chance for Improved Grab and a chance to swallow whole, then devouring all of the swallowed caster's spells and using them against the rest of the party, as a standard action. To counter that, I made a planar shepherd that had access to incorporeal forms to avoid being zapped, grabbed and eaten and have all of my spells sucked out on the surprise round.
A Protean, which is at exactly this party's CR, can duplicate any extraordinary ability as a free action. That means that it can make iself immune to every kind of spell (wil-o-wisp), split into infinite copies of itself (black pudding), Become incorporeal, gain any kind of damage reduction, duplicate any Ironheart, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw, or Diamond mind maneuver (those are extraordinary abilities too), give itself temporary access to any feat, make iself immune to any kind of energy damage, change size from fine to colossal, ... etc. Oh, and it regenerates like a Tarrasque, and it has Dimensional Door, Detect Thoughts, and Planeshift at-will. It basically combines all of the nastiest parts of a Phasm, a Chaos Beast, and a Tarrasque, in addition to every other kind of creature that could kill a party member in one round. I strongly expect to fight a bunch of those because they're the epic monsters most closely associated with chaos and randomness. Sure, my character could try to escape from it, but not before it killed-off a party member and/or killed a bunch of innocent poners. To avoid absolute massacre, the only way to counter a monster like that is with immediate action, permanent, and persistent divination buffs, to warn the rest of the party that an nigh-invincible chaos spawn just manifested; then you would need to buff-up all of the party's martial characters so that they could deal enough nonlethal damage in the next several rounds to keep it from concentrating on teleportation so that they can knock it out and a spell-caster could use a wish or miracle to keep it dead. You need a spell-caster for that, and a spell-caster with greater spell-casting capabilities than a druid. Since it looked like there wasn't going to be any wizards or clerics in the party (at the time), I figured i'd try to get access to miracle and warp destiny through the Bonus domain feat. I made a character with Divine Metamagic so I could buff my allies and have those buffs last all day, so they wouldn't be easy-meat for epic monsters.
Then there's Infernal abominations who, thanks to their deific abomination traits, could slip through all of my divinations and defensive wards, grab me, bite me in throat and suck out my spells. How can I counter that? I really don't know. I'd just have to buff up the rest of the party and hope they can defend me from it while i try to pin it down with spells.
Then there's the possibility of a demilich, an optimized wizard, cleric or sorcerer impervious to all magic except for holy smite and kills you if it touches you. That's a monster that possesses all of the abilities my PC has, and much much more. I'd be afraid of fighting that, because the only way to deal with it would be to layer a fuckton of defensive wards and buff the party so they hopefully someone can damage it's astral projection hard enough and quickly enough for it to return to its private demiplane.
But really, there's a lot of stuff in those books that I don't think my PC could handle, let alone defend the rest of the party +2000 believers from. What if a Shape of Fire attacked and burned Topaz's believers and reanimated them all into an endless sea of lavawights? That would kill us unless you had a way to see into the future and stop the catastrophe from happening in the first place.
I built a god-fighter PC because CR 25 means fighting literal gods.
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>body was too long
And then there's Discord himself. He is not only a god, he possesses the most powerful deific abilities. What if he interferes when we're on the quest to find the powers to stop him? If he possesses Alter Reality, which i think he does, he may be capable of duplicating any spell from any class up to 9th level, which makes him practically omnipotent. He might not attack us directly, but he could really send some nasty chaos our way if he felt like it. What if he just snaps my horn away so i lose my magical powers? Idk what I'd do then. It'd be one thing to gather the elements to defeat him, but stopping millions of ponies across the world from dying requires a certain level of intense crunch.
Like, an example one of the earliest stages of an apocalypse could be The Restless Dead, which means every corpse of every creature on the planet suddenly reanimating all at once. Could you stop something like that without optimizing, while trying to prioritize the protection of all innocent creatures? I doubt it.
And then there's Discord himself. He is not only a god, he possesses the most powerful deific abilities. What if he interferes when we're on the quest to find the powers to stop him? If he possesses Alter Reality, which i think he does, he may be capable of duplicating any spell from any class up to 9th level, which makes him practically omnipotent. He might not attack us directly, but he could really send some nasty chaos our way if he felt like it. What if he just snaps my horn away so i lose my magical powers? Idk what I'd do then. It'd be one thing to gather the elements to defeat him, but stopping millions of ponies across the world from dying requires a certain level of intense crunch.
Like, an example one of the earliest stages of an apocalypse could be The Restless Dead, which means every corpse of every creature on the planet suddenly reanimating all at once. Could you stop something like that without optimizing, while trying to prioritize the protection of all innocent creatures? I doubt it.
>>113313
I don't think it's about being a dick or not. It's about the appropriate challenge between the enemy and us. Since Ash bases herself on CR of our level, then it is quite understandable she prepares against said threats.
Otherwise, it may happen we curbstomp anything that dares oppose us.
I don't think it's about being a dick or not. It's about the appropriate challenge between the enemy and us. Since Ash bases herself on CR of our level, then it is quite understandable she prepares against said threats.
Otherwise, it may happen we curbstomp anything that dares oppose us.
>>113318
There's a fine line between being ready to respond to a situation and almost-maxing the character until its ECL is 10+ levels higher.
There's a fine line between being ready to respond to a situation and almost-maxing the character until its ECL is 10+ levels higher.
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>>113317
Those are all monsters as they appear in the epic level handbook. CR 25 is no joke.
Proteans and Gibbering Orbs, being literal manifestations of Chaos, are some of the most appropriate minions for Discord.
Hoary Hunters are CR 25 and always attack in groups. They're share a lot of archytypes with the wendigos from the show. Once they lock target, they will never stop hunting you, no matter how many times you kill them.
And then there's all all the other monsters in the 8 monster manuals.
A tiny shard of Pandorym's mind, which could be chipped from it's psionic crystal prison by a universal catastrophic event, is a CR 25 encounter. It has the power to completely cut off the Divine channel from a divine spell-caster, rendering them powerless: i'd be completely screwed if I failed that will save, so I looked for ways to buff my saves for something monstrous like that. So when I built, i built with the mindset of "how do i not get insta-killed by the ghost of the billion IQ psionic fedora that disproved god; and then stop it from consuming the souls of every creature on the planet before it disipates in 24 hours?"
What if the chaos and corruption in the world causes the hatred of the planet to manifest and awaken the entire continent as a Genius Loci? Who be more suitable for it to enslave than a lvl 25 Druid? What if that druid didn't optimize to ward from Enslavement, so then the Genius loci was able to take control of her mind and an epic level spellcaster in the party suddenly becames evil? That wouldn't end well.
>>113318
CR in d&d is a meme, and usually not a proper measurement of difficulty, but it's also what the book recommends DMs to challenge parties with. I was going to count on half of potential monsters being CR 25 and the rest of the harder encounters being higher.
Those are all monsters as they appear in the epic level handbook. CR 25 is no joke.
Proteans and Gibbering Orbs, being literal manifestations of Chaos, are some of the most appropriate minions for Discord.
Hoary Hunters are CR 25 and always attack in groups. They're share a lot of archytypes with the wendigos from the show. Once they lock target, they will never stop hunting you, no matter how many times you kill them.
And then there's all all the other monsters in the 8 monster manuals.
A tiny shard of Pandorym's mind, which could be chipped from it's psionic crystal prison by a universal catastrophic event, is a CR 25 encounter. It has the power to completely cut off the Divine channel from a divine spell-caster, rendering them powerless: i'd be completely screwed if I failed that will save, so I looked for ways to buff my saves for something monstrous like that. So when I built, i built with the mindset of "how do i not get insta-killed by the ghost of the billion IQ psionic fedora that disproved god; and then stop it from consuming the souls of every creature on the planet before it disipates in 24 hours?"
What if the chaos and corruption in the world causes the hatred of the planet to manifest and awaken the entire continent as a Genius Loci? Who be more suitable for it to enslave than a lvl 25 Druid? What if that druid didn't optimize to ward from Enslavement, so then the Genius loci was able to take control of her mind and an epic level spellcaster in the party suddenly becames evil? That wouldn't end well.
>>113318
CR in d&d is a meme, and usually not a proper measurement of difficulty, but it's also what the book recommends DMs to challenge parties with. I was going to count on half of potential monsters being CR 25 and the rest of the harder encounters being higher.
>>113322
>ECL
ECL is nothing more than a mechanical measurement. It's a meme with no real impact on the game other than making certain races randomly higher ECL than others (like hobgoblins being +1 ECL, as if they were even close to as good as humans).
Like hell a lvl 20 Wizard should count as the same level as a lvl 20 Fighter. Not all levels/HD are created equal. That's why they made LA buy-off mechanics, since being an ogre at lvl 20 isn't the same advantage it it is at lvl 10.
>ready to respond
How do you respond to something that can turn you into a beachball with no save? You saw Discord in the show. He's omnipotent.
>ECL
ECL is nothing more than a mechanical measurement. It's a meme with no real impact on the game other than making certain races randomly higher ECL than others (like hobgoblins being +1 ECL, as if they were even close to as good as humans).
Like hell a lvl 20 Wizard should count as the same level as a lvl 20 Fighter. Not all levels/HD are created equal. That's why they made LA buy-off mechanics, since being an ogre at lvl 20 isn't the same advantage it it is at lvl 10.
>ready to respond
How do you respond to something that can turn you into a beachball with no save? You saw Discord in the show. He's omnipotent.
>>113323
>>113325
You realize CR refers to individual monsters right? When they're in a group its higher. Look, we can go around and around. I maintain that I was going to let the matter drop after GM said "no", but rather than make a case to him you chose to keep pestering me about it. I admit I may have been wrong on that but its difficult to say because there are implicit contradictions even in just the one book, but I'm not the person who you should take it up with anyway. I'm done arguing this point or any others.
As for Discord, we can assume that his appearance is relatively unprecedented and therefore not something any of our characters could have legitimately prepared for. What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen? Moreover, he might not have turned us into beach apparel if you hadn't made like Judge Dredd with your "I am the law!".
P.S. Dying in D&D isn't the end of the world
>>113325
You realize CR refers to individual monsters right? When they're in a group its higher. Look, we can go around and around. I maintain that I was going to let the matter drop after GM said "no", but rather than make a case to him you chose to keep pestering me about it. I admit I may have been wrong on that but its difficult to say because there are implicit contradictions even in just the one book, but I'm not the person who you should take it up with anyway. I'm done arguing this point or any others.
As for Discord, we can assume that his appearance is relatively unprecedented and therefore not something any of our characters could have legitimately prepared for. What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen? Moreover, he might not have turned us into beach apparel if you hadn't made like Judge Dredd with your "I am the law!".
P.S. Dying in D&D isn't the end of the world
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>>113326
I built for what i decided was appropriate for the encounters we might face. My PC is far from invincible.
I built for what i decided was appropriate for the encounters we might face. My PC is far from invincible.
And on top of all of this, I had every part of my PC approved by the DM through every step of the creation process.
It's only you who thinks it's too OP to play.
If you seriously want me to just tear this sheet apart and roll up a new PC, I'd like to at least get through one encounter first.
It's only you who thinks it's too OP to play.
If you seriously want me to just tear this sheet apart and roll up a new PC, I'd like to at least get through one encounter first.
>>113326
>What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen?
An Epic character who's spent the last 200 years doing important epic stuff.
My PC has 25 ranks in 4 different schools of knowledge: Discord may be new to her, but she's aware of the existence of things like Atropals and Xiecials.
>What actual character travels their respective world expecting that to happen?
An Epic character who's spent the last 200 years doing important epic stuff.
My PC has 25 ranks in 4 different schools of knowledge: Discord may be new to her, but she's aware of the existence of things like Atropals and Xiecials.
>>113330
Seems like it, sadly.
Don't lose hope just yet. Perhaps we can at least reach the dragonlands aka get a description of it.
Seems like it, sadly.
Don't lose hope just yet. Perhaps we can at least reach the dragonlands aka get a description of it.
>>113332
What do you even want? What is so significant about the build that I spent 3 months perfecting that makes you so butthurt.
If your answer is just "it's too strong", there's nothing about that that will make a significant difference if changed. She's not powerful because of her level of Optimization, she's OP because of her class. This is a mid-op build.
She'd still be astronomically more powerful than your character if every single one of her feats were replaced with Toughness.
Monks suck. Big whup.
What do you even want? What is so significant about the build that I spent 3 months perfecting that makes you so butthurt.
If your answer is just "it's too strong", there's nothing about that that will make a significant difference if changed. She's not powerful because of her level of Optimization, she's OP because of her class. This is a mid-op build.
She'd still be astronomically more powerful than your character if every single one of her feats were replaced with Toughness.
Monks suck. Big whup.
>>113336
Wtf are you even talking about?
I've done nothing to imbalance the game yet, and I don't intend to, but you're you're acting like I just donkey-punched Loth.
Wtf are you even talking about?
I've done nothing to imbalance the game yet, and I don't intend to, but you're you're acting like I just donkey-punched Loth.
>>113333
If she’s only powerful because of her class, then why not just have a more regular Druid build without a dozen pieces stitched together from various books outside of the SRD? Why have her aged twice - conveniently only after she receives timeless body at level 15, meaning she advanced to level 15 before hitting middle age, but only advanced 10 levels in the next 670 years? Why replace the free bonus feats that come with the Vow of Poverty with free Epic feats. Why calculate her skill levels incorrectly, when increases to Int do not retroactively add skill points. Why not just make a more normal level 25 Druid without a dozen source books, and questionable interpretations of the rules?
Just eliminate those aspects, and the grounds for complaint would be neutralized
If she’s only powerful because of her class, then why not just have a more regular Druid build without a dozen pieces stitched together from various books outside of the SRD? Why have her aged twice - conveniently only after she receives timeless body at level 15, meaning she advanced to level 15 before hitting middle age, but only advanced 10 levels in the next 670 years? Why replace the free bonus feats that come with the Vow of Poverty with free Epic feats. Why calculate her skill levels incorrectly, when increases to Int do not retroactively add skill points. Why not just make a more normal level 25 Druid without a dozen source books, and questionable interpretations of the rules?
Just eliminate those aspects, and the grounds for complaint would be neutralized
>>113338
I'd be content if the sploits weren't shoved in everyone's face all the time tbh. That and not acting like the issue was about a pissing contest over class power level when its clearly (in my case at least) a matter of one PC trying to abide by the necessary restrictions that get thrown to the wind when combining supplements
I'd be content if the sploits weren't shoved in everyone's face all the time tbh. That and not acting like the issue was about a pissing contest over class power level when its clearly (in my case at least) a matter of one PC trying to abide by the necessary restrictions that get thrown to the wind when combining supplements
>>113338
Because it's so much cooler this way. I built her character based on what I wanted to play. What other chance would I get to play an epic level Planar Shepherd? a level 25 character has more levels than most gods, so a lvl 25 druid should represent the oldest and strongest druid.
She's not just a Druid; she's a holy Druid of The Blessed Fields, who worships the light at the temple islands of Thalasia, taught by the greatest heroes in all of the realm-space as she served them in their eternal bliss. She's a devoted Ascetic who in her strife attained freedom from want, and believes in only using her gifts to help others and never for personal gain.
And as for the aging thing, it's hardly significant mechanically, because it makes up for the fact that I cannot simply purchase items that grant me a +12 enhancement bonus to stats like everyone else can. I thought being a 750 year old mother-of-all-druids just felt so badass, especially if it comes with the process of casting away one's old identity in favor of being a platinum-scaled dragonborn servant of justice.
She got to lvl 15 before reaching middle age because GM ruled that Kirin age like elves, so she would've had like a hundred years to get there. Her backstory for her first life is similar to the original backstory i wrote for her: at an early age, her father deemed her to be unfit to married off (chronic anger issues), so he sent her off to a monastery to become a shrine maiden. She's been a nun since before she hit puberty.
She's spent centuries serving guardinals, olympians and archons in the upper planes, but left paradise because she was neither dead nor dying, and wanted to return to the earth to make it a better place for the remainder of her extended lifespan (which is close to it's maximum), so she can die knowing she's served her purpose in the universe.
I built it this way because it's 100% awesome, and i thought it felt appropriate for an epic adventure.
I considered dumping planar shepherd to be a druid/sorcerer arcane heirophant theurge, but managing two 9th level spell-casting classes felt like it'd be overpowered and redundant.
>dozen sourcebooks
I used a few sourcebooks, but there's hardly any broken content there. I had everything on my sheet personally approved months ago. Maybe greenbound summoning is a bit too powerful at lvls 1-4, but at lvl 25 it's just a cheap way of putting up shrubberies.
Everyone here used multiple sourcebooks too; GM said in the original OP that we all could. Topaz has a dragon thrall from the MMII (the most broken monster manual). Candy is an Artificer: a base class from the eberron campaign setting.
It's not like vanilla 3.5e is a complete or balanced game anyway. Most martial classes in the PHB are tier 5 garbage; the Tome Of Battle saved martial characters. Most of the most broken and exploitable spells in 3.5e are in the PHB: Gate, Simulacrum, Planar Binding, Shapechange, Polymorph Any Object, Shades, Wish, miracle, etc. Splatbooks aren't a bad thing; they enrich the game, because the game was never finished in the first place.
I took some Unearthed Arcana ACFs, but i had each and every one of them approved by the DM weeks before the campaign started.
Her skill points are calculated Correctly. When you make a PC, you calculate their skillpoints by their current Int, not the int they supposedly "used to" have. Besides, if you apply Psychic Reformation, you'd be able to retroactively gain those skillpoints anyway. It's why every character who increases their int over the course of the game should pay an NPC Psion to Reform their skills.
Replacing Exalted feats with non-exalted feats did indeed increase her power significantly, but most exalted feats are crap, and I don't even qualify for most of them. Replacing them with Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle turned an underwhelming feature of the build into something i could actually make use of. It was approved anyway.
>free bonus feats for free epic feats
If by "free" you mean, "costs all of your worldly possessions" then then sure you could call it that. Vow Of Poverty is an under-powered feat that only works for Druids because druids are powerful enough by themselves.
Epic feats aren't even necessarily that great. The only ones that stand out are Bonus Domain, Improved spell capacity and Epic Spellcasting. The rest are 3.0 garbage that are easily replaced by non-epic feats. The ELH is not a well-written book. I did take bonus domain a couple times though; it rounded-out my spellcasting pallet.
>>113342
If I've been bragging about my stats a lot, I apologize for that... It's just that I worked on this for a really long time, and I get really, really enthusiastic about metamechanics sometimes...
Because it's so much cooler this way. I built her character based on what I wanted to play. What other chance would I get to play an epic level Planar Shepherd? a level 25 character has more levels than most gods, so a lvl 25 druid should represent the oldest and strongest druid.
She's not just a Druid; she's a holy Druid of The Blessed Fields, who worships the light at the temple islands of Thalasia, taught by the greatest heroes in all of the realm-space as she served them in their eternal bliss. She's a devoted Ascetic who in her strife attained freedom from want, and believes in only using her gifts to help others and never for personal gain.
And as for the aging thing, it's hardly significant mechanically, because it makes up for the fact that I cannot simply purchase items that grant me a +12 enhancement bonus to stats like everyone else can. I thought being a 750 year old mother-of-all-druids just felt so badass, especially if it comes with the process of casting away one's old identity in favor of being a platinum-scaled dragonborn servant of justice.
She got to lvl 15 before reaching middle age because GM ruled that Kirin age like elves, so she would've had like a hundred years to get there. Her backstory for her first life is similar to the original backstory i wrote for her: at an early age, her father deemed her to be unfit to married off (chronic anger issues), so he sent her off to a monastery to become a shrine maiden. She's been a nun since before she hit puberty.
She's spent centuries serving guardinals, olympians and archons in the upper planes, but left paradise because she was neither dead nor dying, and wanted to return to the earth to make it a better place for the remainder of her extended lifespan (which is close to it's maximum), so she can die knowing she's served her purpose in the universe.
I built it this way because it's 100% awesome, and i thought it felt appropriate for an epic adventure.
I considered dumping planar shepherd to be a druid/sorcerer arcane heirophant theurge, but managing two 9th level spell-casting classes felt like it'd be overpowered and redundant.
>dozen sourcebooks
I used a few sourcebooks, but there's hardly any broken content there. I had everything on my sheet personally approved months ago. Maybe greenbound summoning is a bit too powerful at lvls 1-4, but at lvl 25 it's just a cheap way of putting up shrubberies.
Everyone here used multiple sourcebooks too; GM said in the original OP that we all could. Topaz has a dragon thrall from the MMII (the most broken monster manual). Candy is an Artificer: a base class from the eberron campaign setting.
It's not like vanilla 3.5e is a complete or balanced game anyway. Most martial classes in the PHB are tier 5 garbage; the Tome Of Battle saved martial characters. Most of the most broken and exploitable spells in 3.5e are in the PHB: Gate, Simulacrum, Planar Binding, Shapechange, Polymorph Any Object, Shades, Wish, miracle, etc. Splatbooks aren't a bad thing; they enrich the game, because the game was never finished in the first place.
I took some Unearthed Arcana ACFs, but i had each and every one of them approved by the DM weeks before the campaign started.
Her skill points are calculated Correctly. When you make a PC, you calculate their skillpoints by their current Int, not the int they supposedly "used to" have. Besides, if you apply Psychic Reformation, you'd be able to retroactively gain those skillpoints anyway. It's why every character who increases their int over the course of the game should pay an NPC Psion to Reform their skills.
Replacing Exalted feats with non-exalted feats did indeed increase her power significantly, but most exalted feats are crap, and I don't even qualify for most of them. Replacing them with Dark Chaos Feat Shuffle turned an underwhelming feature of the build into something i could actually make use of. It was approved anyway.
>free bonus feats for free epic feats
If by "free" you mean, "costs all of your worldly possessions" then then sure you could call it that. Vow Of Poverty is an under-powered feat that only works for Druids because druids are powerful enough by themselves.
Epic feats aren't even necessarily that great. The only ones that stand out are Bonus Domain, Improved spell capacity and Epic Spellcasting. The rest are 3.0 garbage that are easily replaced by non-epic feats. The ELH is not a well-written book. I did take bonus domain a couple times though; it rounded-out my spellcasting pallet.
>>113342
If I've been bragging about my stats a lot, I apologize for that... It's just that I worked on this for a really long time, and I get really, really enthusiastic about metamechanics sometimes...
>>113377
Thank you. And I'll refrain from rulecucking in favor of letting GM script the game as he sees fit
Thank you. And I'll refrain from rulecucking in favor of letting GM script the game as he sees fit
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>labor day
>campus closed
>hurricane Tuesday
>also closed
>campus closed
>hurricane Tuesday
>also closed
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>>113425
It doesn't. It just can't use campus resources to study for the next test.
And I'm bored, because that's what I was going to do all day.
It doesn't. It just can't use campus resources to study for the next test.
And I'm bored, because that's what I was going to do all day.
>>113431
I suppose the Internet can help you with that. Watch some dude explaining the subjects and stuff.
I suppose the Internet can help you with that. Watch some dude explaining the subjects and stuff.
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Well, while the PC's are floating around in a hurricane eye the plane of air for 10 minutes.
>Stormwalk winds sound vaguely like elevator music
>>113436
Sister Ash does her best to position herself in the void
".. This will take some time. I'm not very good at transporting so many creatures at once.." She says, spinning upside down a bit with her legs flailing helplessly
"But while we wait.. Tell me more about yourself. You said that your father was the only one you knew who shared your power?"
[clumsy floating nun noises]
>Stormwalk winds sound vaguely like elevator music
>>113436
Sister Ash does her best to position herself in the void
".. This will take some time. I'm not very good at transporting so many creatures at once.." She says, spinning upside down a bit with her legs flailing helplessly
"But while we wait.. Tell me more about yourself. You said that your father was the only one you knew who shared your power?"
[clumsy floating nun noises]
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>>113450
Topaz is rather unaffected, simply going with the natural order of things as her body rotates in the same way.
"Well... where to start..."
Phospy is trying his hardest not to dizzy himself with his panicked hovering.
"I had a good upbringing, mainly due to my parents. Father was a leader of some sort... He sometimes went away for periods of time with bandages around some part of his body, but inbetween those times he was eager to play with me. From chess and checkers to a simple game of tag."
She snickers.
"He let me win most of the time."
Diamond can be seen doing absolutely nothing aside from blankly staring in front of him.
"At times he couldn't, so he'd ordered some of the house ponies to keep me company. While helpful, they never seemed to be quite... there. Even my mother seemed spaced out. I only started noticing it after I got to the age of 6, when I saw a sort of... thin line coming from mother's head to father's."
Topaz smiles.
"You could guess what happened next."
Topaz is rather unaffected, simply going with the natural order of things as her body rotates in the same way.
"Well... where to start..."
Phospy is trying his hardest not to dizzy himself with his panicked hovering.
"I had a good upbringing, mainly due to my parents. Father was a leader of some sort... He sometimes went away for periods of time with bandages around some part of his body, but inbetween those times he was eager to play with me. From chess and checkers to a simple game of tag."
She snickers.
"He let me win most of the time."
Diamond can be seen doing absolutely nothing aside from blankly staring in front of him.
"At times he couldn't, so he'd ordered some of the house ponies to keep me company. While helpful, they never seemed to be quite... there. Even my mother seemed spaced out. I only started noticing it after I got to the age of 6, when I saw a sort of... thin line coming from mother's head to father's."
Topaz smiles.
"You could guess what happened next."
>>113454
Cowe activates her mask (casts Fly) to reorient herself so that she and Ash are both aligned vertically, and then lifts her mask like a visor.
"Sonata Deline, Tsuki o tobikoeta ushi the Cow that Jumped Over the Moon, Master of the 6 Disciplines of the Martial Hoof Fist."
Cowe activates her mask (casts Fly) to reorient herself so that she and Ash are both aligned vertically, and then lifts her mask like a visor.
"Sonata Deline, Tsuki o tobikoeta ushi the Cow that Jumped Over the Moon, Master of the 6 Disciplines of the Martial Hoof Fist."
>>113464
She smiles.
"It wasn't that strange when I saw it. At least I understood what was happening after that."
She smiles.
"It wasn't that strange when I saw it. At least I understood what was happening after that."
>>113464
"That's just where I happened to be. I have lived on the road for many years, training and seeking worthy adversaries. I seem to have found one."
"That's just where I happened to be. I have lived on the road for many years, training and seeking worthy adversaries. I seem to have found one."
>>113468
"..........Hmmm.. So it is.." Sister replies,
>>113469
"Oh, I'm somewhat of a planeswalker myself, although my experience pertains to places a bit more.. remote..
I was aiming for the prime material plane, but.. I missed.." she says, gritting her teeth a bit.
"I've never in my life missed the material plane before.. I guess it's all the more reason to spend some more time here."
"..........Hmmm.. So it is.." Sister replies,
>>113469
"Oh, I'm somewhat of a planeswalker myself, although my experience pertains to places a bit more.. remote..
I was aiming for the prime material plane, but.. I missed.." she says, gritting her teeth a bit.
"I've never in my life missed the material plane before.. I guess it's all the more reason to spend some more time here."
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>>113472
Idk. It's unlear what happens during stormwalk. I just know it takes 10 minutes to teleport.
The party met on a private demiplane called "Hub".
>>113473
Sister Ash seems to have been staring intently at Topaz, her purple eyes giving off a slight glow. She's reading her auras.
".. No, there's nothing wrong." she says after abit
"I'm just not familiar with your sort magic(?)..'
Idk. It's unlear what happens during stormwalk. I just know it takes 10 minutes to teleport.
The party met on a private demiplane called "Hub".
>>113473
Sister Ash seems to have been staring intently at Topaz, her purple eyes giving off a slight glow. She's reading her auras.
".. No, there's nothing wrong." she says after abit
"I'm just not familiar with your sort magic(?)..'
>>113479
e_e
I know what the hub is, but if there was any reference to it I missed it. I thought we started on the prime material plane
e_e
I know what the hub is, but if there was any reference to it I missed it. I thought we started on the prime material plane
>>113479
She nods.
"I am not familiar with your powers either. Phospy is the only one who seems to know your kind of power."
The dragon in question can't really grasp losing any sort of friction, leading Topaz to chuckle.
"He's not exactly a manifester of any kind, as far as I know, but they get the ability later on in life. 'A spellcaster', he called you. Magic and the like."
She nods.
"I am not familiar with your powers either. Phospy is the only one who seems to know your kind of power."
The dragon in question can't really grasp losing any sort of friction, leading Topaz to chuckle.
"He's not exactly a manifester of any kind, as far as I know, but they get the ability later on in life. 'A spellcaster', he called you. Magic and the like."
>>113483
Topaz is admittedly quite impressed.
"Woah. That's one stylish name. We go by the name of Psions. Mental energy to do whatever we want them to."
She smiles sheepishly
"With limits, of course."
Topaz is admittedly quite impressed.
"Woah. That's one stylish name. We go by the name of Psions. Mental energy to do whatever we want them to."
She smiles sheepishly
"With limits, of course."
>>113484
"I don't follow your meaning. We are on the prime material plane." She looks at the storm they are traveling in. "Or at least we were,...."
"I don't follow your meaning. We are on the prime material plane." She looks at the storm they are traveling in. "Or at least we were,...."
>>113484
It was a demiplane city. The city encompassed the entire plane.
I wanted to speak to the plane's ruler, but I don't
>>113485
At the speed Sister is spinning, it's not really possible to tell if she's tilting her head or not.
"Indeed.. I've seen it only a few times among the gatekeepers; it's rather rare among monsters, and even rarer among ponies."
>>113487
Sister Ash shrugs
"Call it a space between spaces. All storms are connected. I just conjured a storm over the town, to link us to another storm in the Dragonlands."
It was a demiplane city. The city encompassed the entire plane.
I wanted to speak to the plane's ruler, but I don't
>>113485
At the speed Sister is spinning, it's not really possible to tell if she's tilting her head or not.
"Indeed.. I've seen it only a few times among the gatekeepers; it's rather rare among monsters, and even rarer among ponies."
>>113487
Sister Ash shrugs
"Call it a space between spaces. All storms are connected. I just conjured a storm over the town, to link us to another storm in the Dragonlands."
>>113490
Topaz simply chuckles.
"That is quite odd. All ponies who follow me actively practices it. Diamond is quite the rough pony when focused."
Topaz simply chuckles.
"That is quite odd. All ponies who follow me actively practices it. Diamond is quite the rough pony when focused."
>>113490
Sigh If there is a post that validates your position, I'd love to see it.
"That doesn't seem accurate. Yes there are portals to other planes, but the Hub plane I am familiar with is a different place entirely. In any case, we seem to be on the prime material plane, so let's not argue about it shall we?"
Sigh If there is a post that validates your position, I'd love to see it.
"That doesn't seem accurate. Yes there are portals to other planes, but the Hub plane I am familiar with is a different place entirely. In any case, we seem to be on the prime material plane, so let's not argue about it shall we?"
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