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Chaos Ascending: Order Descended
Anonymous
D4XVt
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No.111710
111712 111715 111724 111775
Welcome to thread two of AnCap's Epic Pony Adventure.

As we left off last time, the party of ponies and a cow had been teleported away by Discord. They are waking up in the back of a wagon, as a creamy colored pony with a multihued brown mane gazes at them over the wagon's edge.
944 replies and 107 files omitted.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113022
113023
>>113021
Yes, it does say "a warded cleric". It does NOT say "a cleric who wards themselves". And no, I don't play clerics.
>>113020
Literally who?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113023
113024
>>113022
Oh please. As if that line was meant to exemplify a party with two freaking Clerics.
You have played a Cleric. I know you have, both of them used Sanctuary on themselves. One was a unicorn, the other was an elf.

Another example is a Demilich. A demilich gets harm as an at-will SLA. In it's description, it says it uses Harm usually to heal itself. Harm is a touch-range at-will necromancy spell. That is right there an example of a creature using a touch-range spell on itself.
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113024
113026
>>113023
>a cleric and a unicorn
You're clearly mistaking me for someone else
"Yeah, he's never played a cleric dude"
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113026
113034 113036
>>113024
Oh come on. I remember distinctly when a certain rogue attempted to attack a certain NPC unicorn Cleric, only to have her knife slip right through (with no saving throw) because said Cleric had warded itself with Sanctuary. I also remember the time when another Healbot schizophrenic elf had used Sanctuary on itself because it wasn't allowed to participate in the melee.

You're just being anal about this. It's really starting to piss me off now.
This is common sense RAI, and unquestionable RAW. The description for touch says nothing about not touching yourself, at all. Touch range spells are spells that can be cast on creatures within touching range. A spellcaster, even the one casting the spell, is a creature in range.
Do you really think that Clerics can't use Cure Light wounds on themselves because the range is touch? Video game adaptations let paladins and clerics use all their healing tools on themselves. Clerics have healed themselves in D&D CRPGs going back to Pool Of Radiance.
Then there's just about every low-level spell you see on the list of typical potions (potions have to be touch range spells), like Darkvision, Jump, Mage Armor, Endure Elements, Spider climb, etc. Do you really think that one of those spells effect the caster?
The Description for Permanency says that Darkvision (touch Range) is one of the few spells that can be made permanent on a creature. Not only does it say that it can be made permanent, but that the caster can only make it permanent on himself; so it'd be absurd for them to say that if the caster couldn't first cast darkvision on himself as a touch range spell.
Then there's mage armor: a touch range creation spell that gives an armor bonus to AC equivalent to a chainshirt, that does not stack with actual armor. If a spellcaster couldn't cast Mage Armor on himself, what good would the spell be? It's not useful for creatures already proficient in light armor. It'd certainly make being an Abjurant Champion suck if they couldn't use Mage Armor on themselves.
Do you think that Paladins get Resist Energy (touch) to only protect other party members from dragonfire, instead of using it on themselves to tank the attack? Do you think that they get Eagle's Splendor to increase another party member's Charisma, instead of using it to buff their own Charisma-based class features?
How is a Druid supposed to melee damage a creature with X/magic DR if he can't cast Magic Fang (yet another touch range spell) on himself?
Do you think that Assassins get Jump, Spider climb, Nondetection, or Pass Without A Trace for the sake of using said spells on anyone but themselves?

If you're going to bitch about what my character does, at least get it right. It's quite frankly none of your business. If you think this is okay, why don't you show me your character sheet so I can point out any of the questionable rule interpretations there?
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113034
113035 113036
>>113026
>unicorn
Oh, you mean the game where I expressedly bastardized half the rules, openly and flagrantly?
>elf
Oh, you mean the character that was thrust on me against my better judgement?
yawn
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113035
>>113034
I'm done arguing about this. I cited plenty of relavant examples, and I don't think you'd be convinced either way.
Pardon me for ending with a bad faith argument, but I really don't believe you even think touch range spells work that way.
If you think stacking Persist with Extend for a 1 hour buff spell for the sake of preparing more spells was too cheesy, that's one thing, but don't bullshit me with absurd interpretations of spell range.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113036
113039
>>113034
>>113026
Ash's argument makes sense.
I think you're deliberately arguing this only to cause drama at this point.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113039
113043 113076
>>113036
Indeed, the permanency/darkvision argument is reasonable and sound. The text of permanency makes clear that with the initial spell (darkvision) you have to cast it on yourself immediately prior to casting permanency on yourself.
The implication is that while there are no other overt references that contest the written word of range spells, that the individuals who compiled the core rules intended it to be that way.
But that's all a moot point now for two reasons. The first is that GM already told him no, and the second is that,... well you'll hear soon enough.
Don't kid yourself into thinking this is an isolated issue though.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113043
113046
>>113039
>GM already told him no
Do you have the post to confirm it?
What about the other examples presented like Cure X Wounds?
I feel it's not, but sounds more like interpretations more than absolute truth from either party in this situation.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113046
113048
>>113043
Why don't you ask him?
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113048
>>113046
I'd rather not. This is quite unproductive all things considered.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113076
113091 113092
>>113039
You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says, but when you make an incorrect assertion that supposedly applies to all touch range spells and abilities, I'm going to speak up about it.

Can I please just ask that you just mind your own character? It's really not your call to make.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113091
113092
arguing.jpg
>>113076
>You know, I'm fine with whatever the DM says
Sure you are

Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113092
113093 113095
>>113091
>>113076
Stop this nonsense already.
You're both on the same team, for God's sake.
Respect eachother's boundaries for the remainder of this session.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113093
>>113092
That's a good point.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113095
113098
>>113092
And in character, we are
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113098
113105
>>113095
OOC, too.
At least in things related to the campaign.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113105
113108
>>113098
>OOC, too
Explain
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113108
113109 113112
>>113105
You do want your character stop Discord, right? Or do you want to fail intentionally and make the cowe sad and bitter?
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113109
113113 113130
>>113108
I'd love to.
I'd also like to know how Ash's player justifies a 60 Wis
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113110
113113
Oh wait, "that's none of my business"
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113112
113113 113116
ninja_cow_by_nebbzangelsinferno_d2yx9bw-fullview.jpg
>>113108
Ninja Cowe didn't seem like a bitter individual to me, but I don't really know very much about her yet. She's rather cryptic.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113113
>>113109
>>113110
This is why I said OOC, you're a team, too.
Let Ash talk it out to the GM.
Because for all intents and purposes, he's the one with the authority to accept or reject any PCs actions, since he's the God of this world.
>>113112
I honestly don't care about individuals' personalities or emotions in this instance. This dumb stuff needs to be stopped at the roots, because this only increases tensions between players in the long run.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113116
113119 113130
>>113112
Ninja cowe is dealing with a bunch of ponies she's never met before, doesn't know that she can trust, against a foe beyond her current comprehension.
Oh sure, she can bust some crazy moves and damage, but getting Thanos-snapped into a sunscreen bottle is outside her area of expertise. And no, she's not an extrovert when it comes to expressing herself.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113119
113123 113130
>>113116
She does know the kirin dragonborn, and the unicorn-dragon-earth poner trio do want to stop Discord. Why would she distrust those ones after being placed in the same situation as her?
Anonymous
fP/oi
?
No.113123
113125 113130
>>113119
At this point, she doesn't know anything. She knows that the Kirin has amazing powers, but Discord had amazing powers.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113125
113127 113136
>>113123
Oh. She's disheartened over the foe before her.
But she did witness Discord's entire arm being disintegrated as if an actual Thanos-snap deleted it.
She should therefore know that they are the key to restoring balance/order/harmony to the land and not all hope is lost.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113127
113136
>>113125
By the gemstone Discord touched.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113130
113136
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>>113109
Increasing Ability stats with spells at epic level isn't hard at all. I can get a +32 untyped bonus to Strength with Giant Size as a personal Domain spell, and an additional +12 enhancement bonus to Strength With Bite Of The Weretiger, to myself or to a party member. If you add that to a Legendary Bear Or Spinosaurus's 36 racial Strength score, you're looking at 80 Strength right there, 85 after the +5 inherent bonus. A Garngroth has 46 racial strength, so that can get up to 95. If I can think of any 8th or lower Cleric spell that gives a Sacred bonus to strength, it could possibly be 100+, if the need arose for such a mega-hyper-overkill boost to raw strength. I could persist all of those spells right now with the Tome Dragon's Free metamagic, but that'd feel unnecessarily abusive...
And with an epic spell using the Fortify seed, there's no upper limit to how much i could increase my stats with enough mitigation. A permanent +30 Enhancement bonus to Wisdom is technically within my reach, but it's not like my character has time to develop such spells to increase her personal power when she's busy playing whack-a-mole with chocolate clouds. Also, that'd be simply too cheesy, and I know Epic Spellcasting is ludicrously broken so I'm a bit wary of pushing it's boundaries (which is why I haven't developed my own spell yet...).

I even prepared Extended Owl's Insight again today even though it'll last 48 hours for me, in case another party member needed a buff. I prepared Bite Of the weretiger too, even though my Shapechanging abilities don't leave me wishing for anymore strength.
>>113116
>>113123
Does Cowe wish to join the legendary battle? Cowe could succeed if she made some good friends that could buff her up to Hercules level strength.
>>113119
And the kirin is very, very convicted in her plight to get rid of the jackass who's been making the bubblegum clouds rain chocolate.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113132
113134
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I need an opinion.
Which mane color looks better?
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113134
>>113132
I prefer the darker tone, but the light based one is ok in my book.
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113136
113137 113143
>>113125
>>113127
That doesn't translate into confidence in her apparent allies
>>113130
She already has herculean strength, thanks to an artifact item GM-approve-stacked with another item. That's not the point. Also, those bonuses don't stack outside GM's approval. And THAT is the crux of my objections.
>85
>95
>fucking 100+
If you think this is how the game mechanics were intended, we're clearly playing different games
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113137
113138 113141
>>113136
What's the alternative? Fight the chaos deity on her own? Why not take advantage of the bold/stupid ponies who are clearly intent on fighting the discordant element with or without her? One clearly hammered the cultist who summoned her while the other summoned a huge ectoplasmic beast out of nowhere and has both a dragon, an Earth Pony and thousand of followers. It should be enough to at least convince cowe to stick by them.
Although I would get it if she's not so sure about Candy, since she didn't have a chance to show her powers.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113138
113141
>>113137
*who summoned Discord while
Anonymous
fP/oi
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No.113141
113144
>>113137
>>113138
As far as she knows, that pegasus got a pinched nipple and naught much else. You're still neglecting the major issue here. Cowe has far less reservations about this than I do
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113143
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>>113136
Nothing in the game works outside of GM approval.

RAW, those bonuses absolutely stack, but it's not like I've actually done it or intend to do it unless the sudden need arose to throw a mountain-sized object into the sun, since it eclipses class niches and that's lame. It was just an example of how bonuses can go really high if buffed by an epic spellcaster. At epic level, literally anything is plausible. An Optimized War Hulk + Hulking Hurler can throw planet sized objects and deal damage that scales by strength. A lvl 25 Necromancer could potentially develop a spell that could channel all of the souls on the planet into one gem and use said souls to grant himself an infinite enhancement bonus to int.
Also, you came into the game with an artifact item as starting equipment and now you're accusing me of questionable conduct? You don't see me complaining.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113144
113145 113147 113296
>>113141
>pinched nipple
Have you forgotten the turtle literally doing a fireworks show by using its 47 spell slots on her?

I ask again. What alternative do you have? You alone don't have the capacity to fight everything by yourself.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113145
maxresdefault.jpg
>>113144
Spellfire. Quite the interesting power, despite the crappy 3.0 mechanics.
The damage sucks, and I wouldn't normally consider the feat on any other character, but boy is it fancy.
Anonymous
U+nsw
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No.113147
113148 113149
>>113144
Are you done? That never was the point
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113148
113150
>>113147
What point?

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113149
113150
>>113147
What is the point then?
Does Cowe want to fight Discord?
Anonymous
U+nsw
?
No.113150
113151 113152
>>113148
>>113149
Oh, okay, we're playing dumb then? Have fun with that.
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113151
>>113150
Is it simply due to 'reservations'?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113152
>>113150
No, you're just not communicating.

What do you even want?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113153
113155
And it looks like game night is cancelled... Too bad, I was really hoping to play tonight.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113155
113157
>>113153
Me too.
However, he may appear in a moment's notice. It's too early to call it over for today.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113157
>>113155
I guess that's true.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113162
[meditates in Druidic]
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113164
113166
*dabs on Phosphorus*
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113166
113169
>>113164
TRIGGERED
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113169
113170
FB_IMG_1564651083601.jpg
>>113166
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Lol get dabbed-on, gemboi."
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113170
113171
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>>113169
[Insert Draconic translation here]
>"Imma tell Topaz you're bullying me. She'll kick your flank, you overgrown fern!"

Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113171
113172
>>113170
>overgrown fern
Oof...
*Combs mane*
[Insert more Draconic banter here]
>"Lol u gonna run over to your mommy, fence-sitter?" XP
[smug Dragonborn noises]
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113172
113173
>>113171
[claw digging intensifies]
>"S-shut up! You're just jealous I have a caring owner"
*dragon rubbing unsuspecting unicorn in progress.
"You really are quite energetic today, Phospy."
*pat pat*
>"Check mate, insect homestead."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113173
113174
>>113172
Oh shit.
Well now I'm jealous.
*sectarian violence escalates*

[Draconic banter of a 750 year old unwed mare]
>"I-I-I.. I don't need that. Jealousy is beneath me. Bahamut be praised."
*Kicks the soil slightly*
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113174
113177
>>113173
[Smug dragon grin intensifies]
"You aren't getting into trouble now, are you, Phospy?"
[Smug dragon grin stops. Commecing sweating and intense shaking of the head.]
"...you're awfully wetter than you usually are. You haven't been messing with the nice kirin, have you?"
[Sweating intensifies]
>"S-she star-"
"None of that, you say sorry right now."
>"B-bu-"
"No buts! Go say sorry!"
*whimper*
>"S-sorry for being not nice, quadruped."
*kicks the soil slightly*
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113175
113176
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Best language.
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113176
>>113175
Indeed.
Good thing Topaz knows it.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113177
113178
>>113174
*Banishes impure thoughts*

>"An I apologize as well, for being boorish..."
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113178
113179
>>113177
"Now hug it out, you two."
>"W-what?! I'm n-"
"Do you want me to repeat myself?"
>"N-no..."
*opens arms for possible kirin hugs*
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113179
113181
>>113178
*Puffs out chest fluff*
*Hugs*
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113181
113182 113183
>>113179
[Flustered Dragon noises]
>"D-don't expect it to become normal or anything."
*giggling gem-named unicorn in close vicinity*
t2DcA
?
No.113182
113183 113184
[1d20+25 = 43]
>>113181
Rolling Proffesion (masseuse) to hug dragon gently.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113183
113184
>>113181
>>113182
[*God-like* hugging noises]
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113184
113186
>>113182
>>113183
[Steam exhaling intensifies.]
>"F-fine! We can do this once per day."
*Chuckling unicorn*
"He likes you."
[Even more flustered dragon noises]
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113186
113187 113188
>>113184
*Pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"Hmmph. You're not so bad now are you."
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113187
113188 113190
>>113186
*steamy exhale*
>"S-stop it! I am a dragon! I am to be feared and respected!"
*Topaz pets neutral-aligned dragon*
>"N-not you too!"
*whimper whimper*
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
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No.113188
113190 113194
>>113187
>>113186
[Giggling unicorn artificer noises]
She says in Draconic
"Ash and Phopsy sitting in a tree, H u g g i n g."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113190
113191 113194
>>113187
*Petting intensifies*
>>113188
*Turns you into a newt*
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
?
No.113191
113192 113194
>>113190
Giggling newt noises
"Then comes love, then comes marriage then comes another kirin in a baby carriage."
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113192
113194
>>113191
*YEETs newt*
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113193
113196
*watches newt fly over the horizon*
"Alcoholism.. not even once."
Anonymous
QVCkh
?
No.113194
>>113188
>>113190
*Giggling Topaz intensifies*
>"N-no, s-stop it~"
[Embarrased dragon noises]
*wriggle wriggle*
>>113191
>>113192
[Flustered dragon noises]
*Topaz stroking intensifies*
>"Cease, please! I'll do anything to stop this tortuous interaction!"
*steam intensifies*
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
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No.113196
>>113193
An iron golem catches the newt.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113206
I just realized I forgot to specify my 10th level spells.
I guess it'll be Time Duplicate and Crown Of Vermin then.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113213
113215 113222
So this is where you’ve been spending your time.

Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113215
113217
>>113213
That's an admittedly creepy thing to say without context.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113217
113218
>>113215
He dares to speak
Not good. NOT GOOD!
SILENCE! You have no authority here
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113218
113221
>>113217
You're technically correct, my good sir.
I am but a humble player in the grand cosmos. What business brought you here, stranger?
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113221
113228
>>113218
Vanish, fool
Roll saving throw, CL 42
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113222
113225
>>113213
Wtf?
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113225
113226
>>113222
You know
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113226
113229
>>113225
o_O
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113228
113233
>>113221
CL 42? I think that's not what you think it means.
I guess I'll roll, sure.
[1d20+26 = 29]
<???
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113229
>>113226
Come now player, it hasn’t been THAT long. Or has it? I can never tell
No good will come of this. ~_~
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113233
113234 113236
>>113228
Caster level? Yes it means precisely that
A purplish form with bright pink hai coalesces in the sky.
What? Gm abdicated, so there is nothing preventing me from manifesting.
>>113228
By the way, you are eliminated down to your very essence. I do hope someone in the periphery can wish you back, not that it’s of any concern to me
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113234
113236 113239 113242
>>113233
When did GM abdicate?
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113236
>>113233
Oh. Good thing I'm Legion tho.
This is a bit weird all things considered.
You sure sound rattled.
>>113234
He seems like an impatient individual.
Anonymous
2/QLc
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No.113239
113240 113243
>>113234
You have one chance, use it
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113240
>>113239
You talk big for one who doesn’t exist
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113242
>>113234
It’s Her
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113243
113244 113245
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>>113239
>No GM
Well I guess I'll just stop time, planeshift into the Astral plane, use Shapechange and Time Duplicate to use a Sarrukh's Manipulate Form on myself, make it a free action, and grant myself every ability of every monster and every class, become immune to every possible attack, and gain infinitely high stats in every category.
Anonymous
QVCkh
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No.113244
Hm...
This seems a bit forced in my opinion.
I know it can get boring out there, but creating something is better than mere destruction of others' belongings.
>>113243
Kek. Nice move.
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113245
113246
>>113243
Come now, don’t hold back on me now
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113246
113247
punpunposter.jpg
>>113245
I am Pun Pun. I fear nothing.
Anonymous
2/QLc
?
No.113247
113248 113249
>>113246
Kirin fool, you waste my time!
<whoooof>
Initiate maneuver, Time Stands Still
You’re not gonna make me draw this out are you?
Candy Swirl
jYX4M
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No.113248
113252 113262
>>113247
Was that a jojo reference?
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
?
No.113249
>>113247
There is no power above Pun Pun.
Give me your worst.
Your Lovely Sister
t2DcA
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No.113252
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>>113248
9th level diamond mind Maneuver that gives you a second full round of attacks the turn you initiate it.
Pun Pun can do it too, as a free action, as many times per turn as he pleases.
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>>113252
And what about that random saving throw?
I assume he did it because he was spooked of my character and what it could do.