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/mlpol/ - My Little Politics
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Ordinarily this post would be deleted as low effort, as if OP wanted to engage in discussion the post would reflect that, and he would be issued a warning detailing that.
Given that the nature of the post is hurrr, it's a honeypot cuz it uses java and cloudflare, and given that its removal - even with an explanation - is likely to be used as hurrrr, see? Muh censorship!! it's being allowed to stay up for the time being so that brighter minds than mine can address the allegations.
Tl;dr OP is a faggot, and heres why:
Given that the nature of the post is hurrr, it's a honeypot cuz it uses java and cloudflare, and given that its removal - even with an explanation - is likely to be used as hurrrr, see? Muh censorship!! it's being allowed to stay up for the time being so that brighter minds than mine can address the allegations.
Tl;dr OP is a faggot, and heres why:
>>295049
voat is shutting down. do you know what voat is? it's like reddit for nazis. i'm the mod of the mlpol sub there. it never saw much action. anyway, all the glowies and shit stirrers have already fled the site.
voat is shutting down. do you know what voat is? it's like reddit for nazis. i'm the mod of the mlpol sub there. it never saw much action. anyway, all the glowies and shit stirrers have already fled the site.
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>>295047
OP is right to criticize the use of cloudflare, which owns the majority of its industry. I dont blame you for using it, and the lack of the smack down is honestly one of the main reasons I come here so good on you. theres no reason to shill against one of the last bastions of freedom on clearnet even if it can be pozzed at times. We're all horsefuckers in a right wing conservative traditional group after all. We even let the anonfilly trannies stay.
OP is right to criticize the use of cloudflare, which owns the majority of its industry. I dont blame you for using it, and the lack of the smack down is honestly one of the main reasons I come here so good on you. theres no reason to shill against one of the last bastions of freedom on clearnet even if it can be pozzed at times. We're all horsefuckers in a right wing conservative traditional group after all. We even let the anonfilly trannies stay.
>>295074
is ther eany chance of refugees coming here? I gave up on4cuck ever realizing they can just leave and come here any time.
is ther eany chance of refugees coming here? I gave up on4cuck ever realizing they can just leave and come here any time.
>>295080
i don't know if they would care for the change in format. for now it looks like everyone is going to poal.co.
i don't know if they would care for the change in format. for now it looks like everyone is going to poal.co.
>>295079
A criticism or a salient argument would be well received. What OP opted for is a low effort hit and run, a poisoning of the well of sorts. And it's not the first time he has done so.
I regret that someone more able to address the specific insinuations isn't available, but a specific response will be forthcoming, not that OP has engendered a specific response by his candor.
A criticism or a salient argument would be well received. What OP opted for is a low effort hit and run, a poisoning of the well of sorts. And it's not the first time he has done so.
I regret that someone more able to address the specific insinuations isn't available, but a specific response will be forthcoming, not that OP has engendered a specific response by his candor.
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>>295041
>This site is a honeypot
>Verizon
And you post from a zog's phone.
I'm sure that even if you try your best, Windows 10 will be your choice.
The level of low IQ is reaching critical.
>This site is a honeypot
>Verizon
And you post from a zog's phone.
I'm sure that even if you try your best, Windows 10 will be your choice.
The level of low IQ is reaching critical.
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>>295049
We want dead chinks, so the sweat shop shills are working overtime to protect their princess
We want dead chinks, so the sweat shop shills are working overtime to protect their princess
>>295240
That's not the shilling anon is referring to. Also
>we
Wut?
>want to kill chinks
Nah. Chinks are people. Communists arent people. Surely you've seen the polish sniper guy meme
That's not the shilling anon is referring to. Also
>we
Wut?
>want to kill chinks
Nah. Chinks are people. Communists arent people. Surely you've seen the polish sniper guy meme
>>295090
This. I'm not even sure any more than that is needed.
Thing is, you can't ever be anonymous while using that smartphone and provider.
As for Javascript, the nice thing about it is that you can actually check what it does on your device, as opposed to whatever software is running on your phone to begin with. Using proprietary, closed-source software (most likely full of backdoors and malware), connecting to this site through a mobile ISP that indexes your every move and location, and then going onto bitching about Javascript is absolute low IQ niggerdom. I rest my case.
This. I'm not even sure any more than that is needed.
Thing is, you can't ever be anonymous while using that smartphone and provider.
As for Javascript, the nice thing about it is that you can actually check what it does on your device, as opposed to whatever software is running on your phone to begin with. Using proprietary, closed-source software (most likely full of backdoors and malware), connecting to this site through a mobile ISP that indexes your every move and location, and then going onto bitching about Javascript is absolute low IQ niggerdom. I rest my case.
>>295090
>>295366
While any indictments of OP as being not only a faggot but also a shill are undoubtedly correct, the questions being raised are still open to those curious, as Ninja >>295088 himself has mentioned.
Having a fuzzy knowledge of these technologies at best, a rudimentary investigation has yielded to me that, according to InfoGalactic:
>Web site authors cannot perfectly conceal how their JavaScript operates because the raw source code must be sent to the client. The code can be obfuscated, but obfuscation can be reverse-engineered,
Meaning that if you wanted to find security flaws in the code here, nothing is really stopping you, and an accusation that the site is a honey pot just because it uses JS doesn't quite mean that's the case on its own, not that OP here is about to go through all that with a fine-toothed comb. JS is known to have all kinds of security flaws that might be hard to catch just due to the nature of the language though, and it might be enough to raise the question, speaking in terms of adversarial thinking. The knowledge that client side JS can be analyzed means that the question of the vulnerability of cross-site scripting by just about anyone could additionally be raised (although against which there are defenses available by the way, none of these vulnerabilities OP has raised a concern about), and generally JS is a technology that many in the security community advise to avoid altogether, but again to accuse a website of being a honeypot just because it uses JS doesn't mean you can say as such beyond question, and mods and admins have thus far been anything but uncandid about this type of thing.
Cloudflare I'm less familiar with, however a glance at InfoGalactic doesn't give any impression that they're actively working with those that might be interested in setting up a honeypot. They stopped working with 8chan after the El Paso shooting last year but their encyclopedia entry doesn't give any impression that they're helping to identify anyone of interest to three-letters. They have taken more heat over the years for keeping an (albeit weakened) policy of content neutrality than shutting down sites, and even after terminating services with these organizations it does not appear that they have given away any information about them or their users. They also release a transparency report about what LEAs have contacted them for semi-annually, and it looks like there are no claims that they're leaving anything out on those yet. This anon >>292977 → has mentioned that
>Cloudfare is the owner of the expressway, we are just drivers using its infrastructure,
and combined with the above knowledge that seems to suggest that they aren't farming data, but from a "trust, but verify" perspective, the founders had all worked on something literally called "Project Honey Pot" before starting Cloudflare, which means they would know how to collect data on someone without them knowing about it, however that would be more of a concern I would have with Cloudflare and not /mlpol/, and again to my knowledge Cloudflare hasn't shown any signs so far that point towards it definitively being a honeypot.
After typing all this out I've seen that >>295079 has the gist of what I was trying to say about this one.
TL;DR: Neither of the accusations leveled seem to be enough to confirm that /mlpol/ is a honeypot, however with a qualification that it might be enough to raise a question about its security practices from anons with limited technological knowledge taking a "trust, but verify" perspective.
Maybe a thread could be created on /qa/ for those of us /mlpol/ers that are curious about the technological side of things for whenever this question is brought up, as it likely will be time and time again. However, coming from the intuitive sense of the place and the conversations that have happened here, including leaving this very thread up for target practice, /mlpol/ is one of the places that I'd be far less worried about than say, 4chan.
>>295366
While any indictments of OP as being not only a faggot but also a shill are undoubtedly correct, the questions being raised are still open to those curious, as Ninja >>295088 himself has mentioned.
Having a fuzzy knowledge of these technologies at best, a rudimentary investigation has yielded to me that, according to InfoGalactic:
>Web site authors cannot perfectly conceal how their JavaScript operates because the raw source code must be sent to the client. The code can be obfuscated, but obfuscation can be reverse-engineered,
Meaning that if you wanted to find security flaws in the code here, nothing is really stopping you, and an accusation that the site is a honey pot just because it uses JS doesn't quite mean that's the case on its own, not that OP here is about to go through all that with a fine-toothed comb. JS is known to have all kinds of security flaws that might be hard to catch just due to the nature of the language though, and it might be enough to raise the question, speaking in terms of adversarial thinking. The knowledge that client side JS can be analyzed means that the question of the vulnerability of cross-site scripting by just about anyone could additionally be raised (although against which there are defenses available by the way, none of these vulnerabilities OP has raised a concern about), and generally JS is a technology that many in the security community advise to avoid altogether, but again to accuse a website of being a honeypot just because it uses JS doesn't mean you can say as such beyond question, and mods and admins have thus far been anything but uncandid about this type of thing.
Cloudflare I'm less familiar with, however a glance at InfoGalactic doesn't give any impression that they're actively working with those that might be interested in setting up a honeypot. They stopped working with 8chan after the El Paso shooting last year but their encyclopedia entry doesn't give any impression that they're helping to identify anyone of interest to three-letters. They have taken more heat over the years for keeping an (albeit weakened) policy of content neutrality than shutting down sites, and even after terminating services with these organizations it does not appear that they have given away any information about them or their users. They also release a transparency report about what LEAs have contacted them for semi-annually, and it looks like there are no claims that they're leaving anything out on those yet. This anon >>292977 → has mentioned that
>Cloudfare is the owner of the expressway, we are just drivers using its infrastructure,
and combined with the above knowledge that seems to suggest that they aren't farming data, but from a "trust, but verify" perspective, the founders had all worked on something literally called "Project Honey Pot" before starting Cloudflare, which means they would know how to collect data on someone without them knowing about it, however that would be more of a concern I would have with Cloudflare and not /mlpol/, and again to my knowledge Cloudflare hasn't shown any signs so far that point towards it definitively being a honeypot.
After typing all this out I've seen that >>295079 has the gist of what I was trying to say about this one.
TL;DR: Neither of the accusations leveled seem to be enough to confirm that /mlpol/ is a honeypot, however with a qualification that it might be enough to raise a question about its security practices from anons with limited technological knowledge taking a "trust, but verify" perspective.
Maybe a thread could be created on /qa/ for those of us /mlpol/ers that are curious about the technological side of things for whenever this question is brought up, as it likely will be time and time again. However, coming from the intuitive sense of the place and the conversations that have happened here, including leaving this very thread up for target practice, /mlpol/ is one of the places that I'd be far less worried about than say, 4chan.
>>295090
I am off topic here but am I safe using win 7 these days? I think the best sollution would be switching to linux and shit but I need some redpilling first. what dangers I am facing exactly? No more security updates?
I am off topic here but am I safe using win 7 these days? I think the best sollution would be switching to linux and shit but I need some redpilling first. what dangers I am facing exactly? No more security updates?
The Cloudflare browsercheck is a check that Cloudflare is controlling and based on a "rating" they have given to the IP you visit from. The reason for using Clodflare is because we don't have the resources to purchase a server that can handle DDOS attacks, and it would open up the server for other types of direct attacks. There is other mitigation/CDN services out there, but since we're on limited budget (we pay ourself for hosting) Cloudflare is the only free alternative out there that I've found (after BitMitigate dropped their free option).
The Requirement for JavaScript for posting (easily) is something I am working towards fixing in code. You can post without JS, but it is not the smoothest experience as you will get the JS post return info, as of now, and not a redirect to the thread. But that being said you can post without JS if you like but the "Post OK" page you get is the json data returned to the JS script as of now. This is due to how code was set up initially to work. All JavaScript including 3rd party scripts is hosted on our servers if that makes it more palatable for those skeptical to JS.
I hope that in the near future, depending on when I get time to do it and how long it will take, I will have all user actions (posting, reporting, appealing, etc.) in a system that can be done smoothly without the need for JavaScript enabled in browser. But it is on the to-do list as of now.
The Requirement for JavaScript for posting (easily) is something I am working towards fixing in code. You can post without JS, but it is not the smoothest experience as you will get the JS post return info, as of now, and not a redirect to the thread. But that being said you can post without JS if you like but the "Post OK" page you get is the json data returned to the JS script as of now. This is due to how code was set up initially to work. All JavaScript including 3rd party scripts is hosted on our servers if that makes it more palatable for those skeptical to JS.
I hope that in the near future, depending on when I get time to do it and how long it will take, I will have all user actions (posting, reporting, appealing, etc.) in a system that can be done smoothly without the need for JavaScript enabled in browser. But it is on the to-do list as of now.
>>295391
All the work put into this place goes much appreciated. I've felt right at home here after having a funny feeling about 4chan for a while.
All the work put into this place goes much appreciated. I've felt right at home here after having a funny feeling about 4chan for a while.
>>295439
Ngl, that right there is what we do it for. Yeah, we have a stake in there being an /mlpol/, but the greatest satisfaction comes from the appreciation from providing something tenable for everyponer. It's not perfect, but it's the best that we can do for now and thanks especially to Pupper, it literally gets better every day. Javascript is being worked on, and maybe in time we can throw off needing cloudflare. /mlpol/ is many things, but a honeypot is not one of them.
A honeypot is designed to be a place to draw masses for datamining and surveillance. This isnt it. It's not for the masses. It's for mongolian horsewhisperers, and on occasion it's for ostracized groups that have been evicted and have nowhere to go. And we, at personal expense (and I mean that luterally) WILL maintain the integrity and unintentional intent of 4/mlpol/. A place to discuss politics freely and intelligently, while blanketed in cute pastel horses and lots and lots of horsepussy.
Cuz if it ain't broke, why fix it?
Happy Holidays frens. See y'all next year.
Ngl, that right there is what we do it for. Yeah, we have a stake in there being an /mlpol/, but the greatest satisfaction comes from the appreciation from providing something tenable for everyponer. It's not perfect, but it's the best that we can do for now and thanks especially to Pupper, it literally gets better every day. Javascript is being worked on, and maybe in time we can throw off needing cloudflare. /mlpol/ is many things, but a honeypot is not one of them.
A honeypot is designed to be a place to draw masses for datamining and surveillance. This isnt it. It's not for the masses. It's for mongolian horsewhisperers, and on occasion it's for ostracized groups that have been evicted and have nowhere to go. And we, at personal expense (and I mean that luterally) WILL maintain the integrity and unintentional intent of 4/mlpol/. A place to discuss politics freely and intelligently, while blanketed in cute pastel horses and lots and lots of horsepussy.
Cuz if it ain't broke, why fix it?
Happy Holidays frens. See y'all next year.
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>>295391
>all our javascript is hosted on our servers
This is increadibly based if you audit the libraries if you ever have to update but I wouldnt blame you if you didnt have time for that.
>all our javascript is hosted on our servers
This is increadibly based if you audit the libraries if you ever have to update but I wouldnt blame you if you didnt have time for that.
>>295088
so what's your excuse for still using JS also many tor exit nodes are banned, why? You know the nodes are shared so if you're going to have an "open discussion" like you say stop banning tor exit nodes, you are banning people who have done nothing wrong except get routed onto a banned exit node from another person responsible for bad behavior. Cloudflare is also trash, its been years and you still have JS, it's not that hard to remove it. I will keep assuming all of these chans are honeypots unless JS is turned off and no tor exit nodes are banned.
Also I have other problems posting with TOR here this isn't the first time, and every time I post on whonix that node get's instantly banned.. Explain that faggot?
so what's your excuse for still using JS also many tor exit nodes are banned, why? You know the nodes are shared so if you're going to have an "open discussion" like you say stop banning tor exit nodes, you are banning people who have done nothing wrong except get routed onto a banned exit node from another person responsible for bad behavior. Cloudflare is also trash, its been years and you still have JS, it's not that hard to remove it. I will keep assuming all of these chans are honeypots unless JS is turned off and no tor exit nodes are banned.
Also I have other problems posting with TOR here this isn't the first time, and every time I post on whonix that node get's instantly banned.. Explain that faggot?
>>295378
This is all great and informative but despite being uncomfortable with either script the avg user and complainer doesnt do anything to harden their own systems and therefore a lot of this stuff is superfluous anyway.
This is all great and informative but despite being uncomfortable with either script the avg user and complainer doesnt do anything to harden their own systems and therefore a lot of this stuff is superfluous anyway.
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It's almost as though bots, and various malicious posters also use tor sometimes and then a node is banned because of them.
>>295461
>>discuss politics freely
>>posting, reporting, appealing
>Pick one
<Counter offer
<have both
This isn't a binary choice. The biggest factor is that everyone on the administration team is awesome.
>>295448
>>295391
Happy holidays everyponer! With a festive New Year!
>>295461
>>discuss politics freely
>>posting, reporting, appealing
>Pick one
<Counter offer
<have both
This isn't a binary choice. The biggest factor is that everyone on the administration team is awesome.
>>295448
>>295391
Happy holidays everyponer! With a festive New Year!
>>295458
>JS still
Java was implemented recently, when the code went from standard to proprietary. And even while a new thing, itsbeing eliminated.
When you were young you shit your pants, then you grew out of it. I assure, it will take less time for java to be weeded out
>>295461
It almost seems like you have something to say. Almost
>JS still
Java was implemented recently, when the code went from standard to proprietary. And even while a new thing, itsbeing eliminated.
When you were young you shit your pants, then you grew out of it. I assure, it will take less time for java to be weeded out
>>295461
It almost seems like you have something to say. Almost
>>295465
>being weeded out
I'll believe it when I see it.
I dare anyone here to please post from whonix on this site and tell me this place is not a honeypot when it prevents you from posting again right after submission. There is no other reason for this except for surveillance. I am not concerned with the feds watching Idgaf I don't say or do anything illegal I just like my privacy and also don't like the mods here pretending like this is some crazy free speech haven with all these de-anonymizing features.
>being weeded out
I'll believe it when I see it.
I dare anyone here to please post from whonix on this site and tell me this place is not a honeypot when it prevents you from posting again right after submission. There is no other reason for this except for surveillance. I am not concerned with the feds watching Idgaf I don't say or do anything illegal I just like my privacy and also don't like the mods here pretending like this is some crazy free speech haven with all these de-anonymizing features.
>>295474
Listen retard, I pretty much got into a cock slapping fight with ninja and nothing happened. Any other website, 4chins included, I would be b& retroactively. Just telling people about the 38 billion to Israel and the dual citizenship in a nerd forum got me not only a permanent ban, but the autism force in charge of it retroactively removed every post I ever made in the whole site. Then manually removed them from the people who ever replied to me. It was the only political post I made and it was the only time I've ever faced a ban there. I was not a problem child .
Tl:dr you have no fucking clue how pozzed the internet culture is thanks to kikes, ninja could literally follow me around with my ip (and picture file names if I eat a 4chan ban), and harass me. Even then this place would still be a bastion of free speech.
The only thing more so that I hang out in is my house.
Listen retard, I pretty much got into a cock slapping fight with ninja and nothing happened. Any other website, 4chins included, I would be b& retroactively. Just telling people about the 38 billion to Israel and the dual citizenship in a nerd forum got me not only a permanent ban, but the autism force in charge of it retroactively removed every post I ever made in the whole site. Then manually removed them from the people who ever replied to me. It was the only political post I made and it was the only time I've ever faced a ban there. I was not a problem child .
Tl:dr you have no fucking clue how pozzed the internet culture is thanks to kikes, ninja could literally follow me around with my ip (and picture file names if I eat a 4chan ban), and harass me. Even then this place would still be a bastion of free speech.
The only thing more so that I hang out in is my house.
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>>295448
Thanks for saying so Ninja. I think due to the nature of the site there's always going to be people screeching "honeypot, honeypot," but that just kind of comes with the ebb and flow of people coming to the site. At the end of the day you just kind of have to be cautious, get a feel for it yourself, and then make your own decisions. All the people trying to tear down the project are free to leave, as I see it, and the fact that they don't is kind of suspect tbh. I've already effortposted without holding back on two of the three things that might lead one not to trust the site and it's all come back clean so far at least to myself. The other being TOR nodes being blocked, which is necessary to keep CP off the site.
>>295460
A good point, it was just as much of a learning exercise for myself as it was trying to humor the arguments of OP.
Any hangup so far has been relatively small, and the place has been massively comfy. This is coming from someone that lurked 4chan for years without daring to say a word due to the banning of VPNs and institution of google captchas, not just in /pol/ but any board. Take that how you will, I guess. Thanks to the moderation team for allowing me to post ponies and educate myself about cybersecurity and politics with as much peace of mind as I can get on the internet.
Thanks for saying so Ninja. I think due to the nature of the site there's always going to be people screeching "honeypot, honeypot," but that just kind of comes with the ebb and flow of people coming to the site. At the end of the day you just kind of have to be cautious, get a feel for it yourself, and then make your own decisions. All the people trying to tear down the project are free to leave, as I see it, and the fact that they don't is kind of suspect tbh. I've already effortposted without holding back on two of the three things that might lead one not to trust the site and it's all come back clean so far at least to myself. The other being TOR nodes being blocked, which is necessary to keep CP off the site.
>>295460
A good point, it was just as much of a learning exercise for myself as it was trying to humor the arguments of OP.
Any hangup so far has been relatively small, and the place has been massively comfy. This is coming from someone that lurked 4chan for years without daring to say a word due to the banning of VPNs and institution of google captchas, not just in /pol/ but any board. Take that how you will, I guess. Thanks to the moderation team for allowing me to post ponies and educate myself about cybersecurity and politics with as much peace of mind as I can get on the internet.
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