/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

Now do you wish for Pony Life

>>302128
Someone fixed the face.

>>302131
A million times better.

>>302131
>1st picture
I honestly might prefer something like this for the whole thing.

More info
the names are pretty stupid tbh

>>302138
But that likely isn’t an official sauce.

ITT: Someone found a cheap knockoff duvet cover for sale on chingchong.net, anons speculate about these being the 1000th new character designs

Guess the leak made the derpifoggots come out of their hole. I see a bunch of them on /mlp/ right now. Though they have been there a few days before think the mods are trying to fuck up the board?

>>302162
>Though they have been there a few days before think the mods are trying to fuck up the board?
They were there stirring the pot over anonfilly and luftkrieg being denied entry into derpi's community collab. You can even see them false flagging with anonfilly images trying to get anon's to attack the artist who drew the rejected image. (Its blatant when they do this because they post anonfilly images with derpi filenames and make a personal army request).
Anyway the board has basically been unusable since the plantation applejack drama. And a drama storm has basically kicked up nearly every month since then culminating in the BLM derpi bullshit. Mods do nothing about the faggots stirring the pot and its even driving some content creators like soft lava off of the board.
I haven't been able to write a greentext in a while either. Either because the generals I write for keep getting shat up or slid off of the board by blatant EQG prompt spam.

>>302196
And to add onto the greentext stuff. The pastebin crackdown really fucked me up as well, and when that initially started happening retards started screaming it was made up by /pol/ and the mods were even deleting threads mentioning it at first. We lost a lot of pastes thanks to that shit. And even though pastebin reversed its decision I was lurking the AIE general and some fags (you can guess who) are still mass flagging individual pastes and getting them taken down.

They are also trying to get people to hate the Anon character. Its really obvious its a derpyfaggot when they start talking about that.

>>302198
Yeah the "green man bad" posting from them is always blatant. 100% they're behind flagging shit as well.

>>302198
Have you tried posting a sad anonfilly like so and giving them a guilt trip? It's going to be hard for them to take the moral high ground when they admit to acting like a dickhead.

>>302201
>acting like a dickhead
Maybe I could've used less of a hardened terminology but you get the point.

>>302201
That must be the saddest filly I have ever seen. Almost makes me sad

>>302202
You know, I really could've worded this better. The point isn't to get them to admit anything or make them out to be an asshole. It's to pretty much let them make fools of themselves. If they successfully avoid doing that then all the better... I think. I might have to think about it more, but that's the general idea.

>>302204
She's really sad because some derpi commies are bullying her friend anon. She used to be like him too.

>>302201
Dude they don't fucking care they think they're fighting internet nazis or some shit.

>>302206
Suit yourself.

How does one even come across such obscure shit like this? Seriously it comes from a not well known retailer from the Czech Republic, but somehow, someone, somewhere decided to go pilfering through online sites for spicy leaks. I am impressed.

I am flabbergasted at these horrendous designs. When I first saw this going around, I thought it was some Filly Funtasia knock off or some bootleg merch, which in all seriousness, How do we know that this ISN'T some bootleg merch? Worst of all, their half moon eyes makes them all look a Mexican like Dora the Explorer type shit. And I swear to god, if they start speaking Invasioneese in the middle of the show because "Lel Diversity". I will cut the break lines of Brian Goldner's car personally. And watch him crash and burn like the show they have so ruined.

>>302213
>How do we know that this ISN'T some bootleg merch?
Imalou worked on the movie on an independent contract and basically confirmed they are the new designs.

i hate when they give the girl ponies furry feet like a clydesdale. only male ponies like big mac should have that. it's like the person who drew this shit went out of the way to tag themselves as a furry. i can't wait to never watch it.

>>302219
What makes furry hooves for furries only? I think it looks cool.

>>302237
fuck off shill

>>302258
No you fuck off.
Why the fuck would a glownigger or whatever shill about fluffy wuffy cute and cuddly horse hooves?
Shill isn't just something we call each other for fun, do you know what a shilling is? Back in the early american days con artists would travel around selling wacky bullshit like snake oil and sugar pills and say "this is a magic elixir of life and these are my cure-all pills. Take 1 every night for 30 nights and you'll never get sick again" and then some faggot in the audience says "it cured my AIDS and baldness" or some shit because the fake doctor paid that faggot one shilling in return for his shilling, if you get what I'm saying. Then the doctor scams everyone and fucks off.

>>302237
>>302271
Imalou, the person who designed them is a furry.
Not to mention the designs have other telltale furry characteristics. Like the wings and horn being completely different colors from the bodies and using gradients. Not to mention the terrible color theory, they're very pastel.

FUCKCUFUCKCIKJC
MOVIE IMAGE LEAKED

>>302306
SOURCE
https://www.etonline.com/my-little-pony-latest-movie-heads-to-netflix-greenlights-new-series-exclusive-161157

HER NAME IS SUNNY STARSCOUT

>>302306
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE MADE A NEW THREAD

>>302277
>the person who designed them is a furry.
Checked.

>>302271
Holy shit, you are a complete bitchnigger retard. If you had even looked up the name 'Imaiou" you would have found he's nothing more than a diaper furfag. Fuck off, retard cuck.

>>302306
It's actually good news. If there will be 3d leaks, people will make porn with original assets.

I'd like to see that happening.

>>302319
Why do you talk like this? I think furry hooves looks good. How is any degeneracy shat out by one artist who drew furry hooves relevant to this discussion? I thought saying "fluffy wuffy" would hint at how stupid getting this mad over fluffy widdle horsie hoofsies. Should I make it more obvious that I think you're being retarded?

>>302217
At first I thought you were using Neo-Speak with some 1337 speak or acronym meme shit, like Aye-Lmao or some shit.

Till I googled ImaLou to find out it is some fan boy zipper head Frenchy on Deviant Art. What a fucking name. But this isn't the first time a Professional company has hired fanboys amateurs to do work for them. And I mean that as Hasbro hiring indie studios that hire fan boys as independent contractors instead of renowned professionals because of cheaper wages and more control. But then these amateurs get put on a pedestal when their works and work habits really suck.

And if I sound like I am putting down this person, I sure as shit am. (Oh but their art is really good who the hell are you to say any different) The artist clearly doesn't know Perspective. For fucks sake https://www.deviantart.com/imalou/art/Flamme-809287151 Look at them eyes, that is not right. Style be damned, you can either like it or not, that is your cup of tea.

And I can't say that I don't like the use of color and texture but the lack of perspective and even a bit of proportions makes it that more grating to look at because it looks off, and you know it's off.

There is something about this artist and the eyes and it has a very erie feel to it. And then to top it with their hyper reflective eyes and texturing brings it into the uncanny valley which makes it that more uncomfortable to look at.

And to not digress further on the artist themselves but the company that hired them, it isn't much different than IDW hiring amateurs as well to do all their cover art and comics. And I went to school with one of these Amatures as well and somehow they get in with IDW, and compared to this Imalou, they were far far worse as an artist and became quite the asshole there after.

The only good thing about working in a 3d environment is that it is easier to correct issues with perspective, if you actually working on a model using symmetry where you mirror over the other side, as you should be doing. But I don't think this artist has worked on 3d software, probably just provided character art to the company, which makes me wonder WHY. Why did the company choose this awful style? Again, Dora the fucking explorer.

I said my rant, I just hope amongst it, that I made valid points.

>>302340
Then go reread the thread starting at this post >>302217
where one anon indicates that the furry artist is a contract designer for the movie, which prompted the criticism of furry hooves and why, followed by 'some poster' trying to assert there is nothing wrong with furry hooves that only occur naturally on male horse hooves. It would be even funnier if that poster had a habit of defending futa degeneracy as 'totally not gay penis worship', while trying to assert how retarded he thinks another poster is.

>>302306
I know everybody is busy talking about the character design, but let's analyze the background real quick.
>Flag of Celestia's cutie mark behind the bed
Something tells me this meant as a replacement for the actual flag of Equestria from the show. Interestingly, the color of the room itself is a similar cyan to the classic flag.
>Rainbow dash cutie mark poster
Looks like a wonderbolt picture next to it as well. Maybe Rainbow Dash is lead flyer by now?
>dreamcatcher hanging on the wall
Either something related to Luna's dreamwalking abilities, or it's a diversity thing and this is some kind of American Indian pony. The progressive showrunners hate the idea that ponies are white people, so expect them to ignore other creatures like buffalo and zebras and just make pony characters that are obviously "ethnic".
>Mane 6 dolls on the shelf
Not much more needs to be said on this one, it's just obvious audience pandering. Nobody in the show ever gave a single shit about the bearers of the Elements of Harmony, why would a character have dolls of only these specific ponies now? Also, the Twilight Sparkle doll is the same height as the others... unicorn Twilight? Or maybe it's supposed to be starlight. If it's unicorn Twilight then that makes absolutely zero sense, nobody in-universe should remember or care about her pre-ascended form.
>Twilight, Fluttershy, and Rainbow Dash cutie mark buttons on her saddlebag strap
>Twilight cutie mark design on her saddlebag
Yeah, this pony is some kind of in-universe massive Mane 6 fangirl. She has dolls, posters, buttons, saddlebags all covered in their iconography.
This also means that this movie is definitely, absolutely, for certain set in G4 Equestria as we know it, with Celestia, the mane 6, and probably the Wonderbolts too. Hard to guess if this is set during the bulk of the show or after Twilight becomes head honcho, but my guess is the latter.
>piano sitting on the ground in front of her bed
Incidental background object, or maybe this character is musically-inclined? Impossible to guess at this point.
>blank flank
Since we know for sure that this is G4 Equestria, it's notable that this pony is a blank flank. They're probably "high school" age, AKA a teenager or older kid.

One final thing to note, there's something taking up the left portion of the frame which the character is looking at. My guess is it's a mirror, and the character is currently posing in front of it admiring her saddlebag. First day of school type thing, or something like that.

Hiring a devianTard... I suspect the same shit that happened with Thundercats Roar. Any objections to the new show will be met with "Toxic Fans!' before proceeding to label us all with projectile woke buzzword vomit. It's extremely easy to predict this shit now. We don't even have to be fucking psychic.

>>302360
I put the image through Waifu2x to see if I could pick up any more details. The dolls on the wall are definitely the mane six, and that is definitely a unicorn Twilight Sparkle next to Rarity and Applejack. You can tell by her size and she doesn't have wings.

>>302361
I'm guessing (hoping, more than anything) that the deviant is purely a design consultant, and that they will (cuz they do) have no business as an animator. One could speculate that the idea is to break up the 'standing' pony designs of g4 (faces, et al) to attempt to discourage any brony-esque following.
It matters not of course, horsefuckers are going to lewd and follow the show even if only out of spite.

>>302360
>We Know this is set in the G4 Equestria

Say that to Digimon Season 3. Where you "Know" it is set in the same world as the two prior seasons, right. Oh wait, NO it isn't, the entire first two seasons is just a TV show in that "universe" and somehow digimon are actually real and the card game "modifies" actual digimon....

In otherwords, we don't know shit. For all we know it could be just a fan nod and nothing more and by the end of it all, we never hear anything more about G4. It really is too early to say anything. All I wonder is how will they shit on the G4 series because you know damn well that they will as they constantly push their Political WOKE agenda that they said time and time again both internally, and in press releases and even now in their live stream going on RIGHT NOW directly to their investors. "Inclusiveness and Diversity" Straight from that Fucking Jew, Brian Goldner! (Who?) The CEO of Hasbro, you know the Company that MAKES My little Pony.

Because even if they do acknowledge g4, I am sure they look back at the show going "it wasn't woke enough and had a racist (applejack) in it"

All I can say is, we just have to wait and see how far it really goes and what comes of it.

If this is a sequel to G4; I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it's an alternate / branched timeline. At first I assumed the branch would occur as either a bad result from when Cozy Glow tried to drain all the magic, or when Tirek tried to eat it all. But that Unicorn Twilight has me thinking its even further back than any of that.

Clip from the Hasbro investor stream

>>302271
paid posters have descended onto all the mlp fan sites trying to defend this trash. you're either paid by hasbro or doing the job that another person paid by hasbro would do, but for no money. i don't know what's more pathetic. i'm sure you're also a diaperfur like the faggot who designed G5.

fucking stupid faggot thinks i don't know what a shill is. they were around before the internet, you dipshit idiot.

>>302364
You're right, they could make FIM something like a "tv show" inside the universe of this movie, which would explain why this character has so much pony merch in her bedroom.
But personally I expect them to rape the lore much more intimately, by setting their movie directly in FIM's universe and then just changing any established worldbuilding that conflicts with their diverse new vision. Similar to how Star Trek Discovery and Picard have a totally different tone, ship design, and style to the classic Star Trek timeline and yet the writers INSIST that it's set in the same canon. No matter how many retcons and plot holes it takes to make that possible.

>>302369
Interesting, so they're all wearing some kind of sash with buttons and shit. Replacement for cutie marks?
In any case, it's very toyetic; I imagine there will be lots of different sashes sold separately from the toys for kids to accessorize with.

>>302373
>Interesting, so they're all wearing some kind of sash with buttons and shit. Replacement for cutie marks?
Looks like the female has cutiemark, but the male is missing one.
The sash I think it some sort of scout club thing where the pony earns marks for learning about the elements of harmony.

>>302370
This. The 'supporters' are trying to push the narrative that detractors to g5 designs and such are butthurt boomers (read: anyone older than millennial) or millennials, that zoomers are 'totally okay' with the new designs and plans and are usurping the fandom from those seething boomers/millennials who are no longer relevant and shit.
Nevermind the fact that the fandom was built by the aforementioned, without which there would BE no /mlp/ et al, from which there could be ostensible zoomer faction, on 4chan or beyond.

>>302375
Oh hey you're right, she does have a cutie mark. Good catch. I can't seem to figure out what it is though, and interestingly she's a blank flank in the movie screenshot.
Also at the end we get a closer look at those buttons. Definitely Twilight, Fluttershy, and Rainbow Dash.
I don't know about this colt though, something tells me he'll be gay and serve as the obligatory LGBTQWTFBBQ+ member for this trio. It's probably the wink, or maybe the unshorn fetlocks which seem to be a given in almost all gay porn in this fandom.

>>302373
>You're right, they could make FIM something like a "tv show" inside the universe of this movie, which would explain why this character has so much pony merch in her bedroom.
That... actually sounds kind of likely. My guess is that they'd try to take the friendship lessons of the first show and then try to tell people how to interpret it. "No, we didn't mean actually take care of one another, we meant to be petty cunts about it." Sounds kind of fitting, with how TV and movies are going, wouldn't it?

>But personally I expect them to rape the lore much more intimately, by setting their movie directly in FIM's universe and then just changing any established worldbuilding that conflicts with their diverse new vision.
And then you had to go and type that sensible opinion and the above sounds even good by comparison. Ah, oh well. Headcanon is better anyway. Without it, Flutters wouldn't be my wife, and Pinkie Pie my favorite concubine.

>>302377
It is hard to know what Hasbro will do in these times of political "correctness". If there is one thing we can be sure of is hat there is always a new low for the leftist agenda to sink to so it might be so much worse.

>>302379
>>302380
Speaking of new lows, check out this synopsis I found on Derpi:
"In the new movie, the pony world of Equestria has lost its magic. (GASP!) Friendship and Harmony have been replaced by paranoia and mistrust, and Ponies now live separated by species. Sunny – a feisty and idealistic young Earth Pony – is convinced there’s still hope for this divided world… but her slightly misguided and often hilarious efforts to change hearts and minds have led to her being branded a misfit. When Sunny befriends a lost Unicorn named Izzy, who wanders innocently into the Earth Pony town of Maretime Bay, the town has had enough. Izzy and Sunny must embark on an epic adventure that will include a daring jewel heist, outrageous conspiracy theories, elaborate musical numbers, and the world’s cutest flying Pomeranian. Their adventures will take them to faraway lands and force them to challenge the status quo by facing their fears and making new friends out of old enemies. The world Sunny has dreamed of her entire life could finally become a reality as Sunny and her newfound friends fight to prove that even LITTLE ponies can make a BIG difference.
The adventures of Sunny Starscout and her friends will continue with an all-new, computer-animated series coming to Netflix in 2022."
>Trump took over Equestria and brought racist closed borders back so now we have to save the world by getting DIVERSE!

>>302376
Those bastards really love their "revolution of the young" lie, don't they? Even though they're obeying programming from school and the media, heads full of lies older than their grandparents. They love the idea of replacing us and taking things away from us, even if they die without us. Modern comics is a joke thanks to all the diversity hires and disgusting woke comics.
>>302370
I don't like the design. I just like fluffy hooves. I don't like how they're drawn in this picture. The strands of hair are too round, like long feathers. That doesn't look like fluffy fur at all. She looks like a bad OC. If you must know what I'm into, back when I masturbated I had a fetish for that thing where the woman is much larger than the man. A few feet taller, twice his size, even King Kong sized, it's all gold. But making her many times larger than planets is just pushing it. That doesn't make her look big, it makes the planet look small. A person couldn't exist in space without a swimsuit no matter how big they are. Anyway I'm into nofap so I'm trying to leave that stuff behind and focus on getting fit.

>>302382
Maybe we should write the dirtiest fanfiction we can to show them the error of their ways, one thrust at a time. I doubt I'm the only one with that idea. Yeah, see here >>302363. That or the most grimdark. Basically just take whatever proposed "solution" to their "problem" they can come up with and take it to its logical conclusion. Could be fun.

>>302383
No one cares what degeneracy you are or were into. Stop blogposting

>>302383
Take a hold of this guy! The time you take to write up a wall of text (mostly unrelated) to reply to a three-word-post is outrageous! Brilliant, just brilliant

>>302382
>>302377
Their heads are too fucking wide.

>>302382
>conspiracy theories
I hope they'll come up with something crazy that turns out to be actually real
>>302390
Not to mention, there is a lot wrong with these designs

>>302383
>Those bastards really love their "revolution of the young" lie, don't they?
Well, it's been leftism's winning strategy for the last 70 years. Brainwash the young and impressionable, turn them against the older and wiser members of society. Recruit as young as possible.
For everything else, just import foreigners and flip states that way.

>>302391
>I hope they'll come up with something crazy that turns out to be actually real
Mark my words, there will be a Trump-like villain behind it all. He was the one that stole all the world's magic with his racism powers and somehow convinced pony society to separate into different tribally homogenous cities because........ honestly I have no clue how they'll explain that one. It makes literally ZERO sense why ponies would do this, given everything we've seen in the show. It's like Star Trek Picard all over again.

>>302370
>paid posters have descended onto all the mlp fan sites trying to defend this trash.
No lad, I'm afraid its much worse than that.
They're furries, flowing in from sites like twitter like a geyser of sewage. Thanks to fucking Imalou being a furry and responsible for the character designs they've been drawn to us. You can see in threads like this
https://boards.4channel.org/mlp/thread/36610255

That are just crawling with furfags. They've always been obnoxious creeps and have been responsible for pretty much every drama storm in the fucking fandom. From content creators like OMNIPONY being cancelled to people like MrDeLoop being groomed and leaving the fandom altogether. Hell I even had my own pony channel nuked by them using false DMCAs (and others as well as I've come to find out). I am so beyond sick of dealing with these faggots and now they're fucking with the source material and openly running roughshod over the fandom at large.

>>302401
Didn't a furry get the Ask Princess Molestia blog C+D'd?

>>302411
Probably, they do shit like that all the time.

>>302340
What you think means:
#1: (((good goyim I think like a judeo-capitalist cuckshill!))) becuz I leik muh furfag hoof degeneracy 'cuz muh brain r 2 stoopid to reelize "Imaiou" r a cuckstain furfag!"
#2: (((I have never horfed down the kike schpiel so hard or so fast than before which makes me a cuck))))
#3: "HURRDURRDURRDURRDURR MUH 'PINYUN R BETTUR DEN YURZ" is evidence against you, the braindead cuckshill that you OBVIOUSLY are, is defending that LITERAL FURFAG TRAITOR.
#4: you are a britmutt, end of story. Shut the fuck up, glownigger wannabe shill.

>>302401
The board should have been /fim/.

>>302424
Why do you talk like this and throw untrue accusations around every time you're even slightly upset?
Clean your glasses if you wear them. Someone said furry hooves are for furries only. Stop trying to derail this topic. What do you have against furry hooves as a concept?

>>302439
Well technically the thing you're referring to as "furry hooves" is called shorn fetlocks.
And secondly the reason for his hostility is due to gatekeeping. I mean I used to not really support such things but seeing as furries are becoming a bigger problem to this fandom I can't really blame him.

>>302439
You are an ACTUAL RETARD. You did not even do the BASIC RESEARCH NECESSARY to LEARN that the """artist""" is a WELL KNOWN FURFAG with WELL KNOWN PRO-PEDOPHILIA VIEWS. Is that derailing, you pathetic britcuck? No, that is 100% ON TOPIC. I do not have a problem with, as the honest, reasonable Anon has stated, is shorn fetlocks in a large amount of MLP artwork. What I DO have a problem with is when FURFAG PEDOPHILES insert THEIR OWN FETISH into an established work. Can you be ANY MORE STUPID? Oh wait, don't answer that.

>>302440
Thank you. I'd rather be a gatekeeper than move goalposts any day.

>>302441
Why do you believe it necessary to do research on the creator of a piece of art before I am allowed to question someone on their view of a visual design trope like furry fetlocks used in the art?
You aren't gatekeeping. You're barking at windmills because they might be furries.

>>302443
>y do u
Stop typing, your opinion is invalid since it's shit. Do you ever stop gaslighting or take responsibility for your own stupidity? Right now you are being /that guy/ incarnate.

>>302445
Quote my original post

>>302441
>WELL KNOWN PRO-PEDOPHILIA VIEWS
>PEDOPHILES
Oh hi The-Possum-Face aka Gamble, have you considered that you have to go back?

>>302445
>do you ever stop gaslighting
No, he doesnt

>>302456
I repeat, quote my original post. Tell me what caused the confusion that made one clown cry "babyfur!".

>>302457
On the condition that you stop posting, sure
>>302219

>>302440
>Well technically the thing you're referring to as "furry hooves" is called shorn fetlocks.
To be even more pedantic, we're talking about unshorn fetlocks.

>>302462
Unshorn fetlocks? Neat. I like it when OCs have those, it makes their hooves look less like blocky rounded rectangles and more like furred horse legs. Besides, some real horses have really fluffy hooves.
>>302459
Do you think it makes sense to blame me for the nigger moment some kid had when he heard me say "i like fluffy hooves" and incorectly assumed I'm morally defending a pedophile? Just by saying something he doesn't like about fluffy-wuffy my little pony OC hoofsy woofsies? Of course not. You know how absurd this conversation is... right?
The facts prove I'm right. Are you afraid that if you or the other guy admits I did nothing wrong I'll lord this over you two forever? Don't worry, I'm not the kind of guy to give a shit about those social games. You know what they say about making assumptions, right? You make an ASS out of U-rself while ME laughs at you.

>>302465
>I like it when mares have unambiguously male features
Which seamlessly fits with your futa fascination. Let's recap for the audience shall we?
>anon points out that unshorn fetlocks are a male horse trait, and suggests it's a furry indicator
>Nigel says he likes unshorn fetlocks on mares (but hes totally not gay)
>another poster sources the artist who - to no one's surprise - is an unabashed furry
For those thick participants yes Nigel, that's you this is the point where the goalposts started moving.
>Nigel attempts to assert that liking unshorn fetlocks is perfectly fine, in spite of the implicit assertion that they are gender-bending in an art style that is observably furry centric, from a designer who is observably and conclusively a furfag; this, while acting oblivious to how the deviant's furfag proclivities are in any way related to the character design, which includes unshorn fetlocks which Nigel likes (but totally isnt gay)
>posters give flak for his unsupportable positions
>Nigel gaslights both what he said and what posters said, rhetorically objecting to inferences that were not asserted and ignoring those that were
>posters tell Nigel to stfu referencing his own posts and statements
>Nigel attempts to 'morally' grandstand
This all began because you decided to insert - and then try to argue - your subjective opinion while other posters were arguing observable facts and observations of the content. We're not talking about observations leading to personal positions of 'like'/dont like', but observations of style, color, and form that lead to a greater awareness of the situation. 'I like a thing's is neither an observation nor does it advance the topic. What you like is irrelevant.
This started because you - like you always fucking do - decided to try and make this about your opinions and perceptions, and wouldnt let the matter rest when your opinions were rejected with cause.
>Nigel reiterates 'I like a thing' even though it's already been indicated that his reception of gender-bending shit on mares is irrelevant; resorts to a tired cliche that allows him to feel as though he's won, even though the cliche doesnt even apply to this context
>it makes sense to blame me
Yes. Dont make me get the hammer. Just stop

>>302470
>this could have all been avoided if I BOTHERED TO READ THE FUCKING THREAD
Noted, now stfu and quit derailing this thread with yet more of your self-centered bullshit

Given the backstory of this new series appears to be that all the magic in Equestria disappeared, I wonder if they'd be brave enough to bring Cozy Glow back as the villain behind it all. Also, if all the magic is gone does that mean unicorns are unable to do spells and pegasi are flightless? Wouldn't that lead to a massive famine as a result of not being able to manipulate the weather and Earth ponies not having their growth magic anymore? Even during the ancient era when the pony tribes lived separately, the pegasi still controlled the weather and helped the Earthen grow crops. Everybody should have fucking starved to death after losing their magic.
For that matter, what about Cloudsdale? Wouldn't all the pegasi just fall to the ground and splatter if they lost their magic? Who is maintaining the sun and moon?
Of course I know the answer to these questions. The writers don't care, they just want to tell a story about how racism is evil.

>>302447
No idea what/who that is. That one of Niggel's assclown 'friends'?

>>302490
None of that would be a fucking surprise given the direction hawjew took in hiring multiple furfags onto their "creative design/development" staff.

>>302490
>not being able to manipulate the weather
From what I've gathered in the later seasons, when pegasi aren't manipulating the weather, weather still happens.
Earth ponies are implied to use magic for growing, but the show never really explored/elaborated exactly how they do that.

https://cartoonimages.club/my-little-pony-5-generation-first-characters-posters-sunny-izzy-and-hitch/
I don't like them.

>>302499
Izzy is kind of cute, tbh.
The rest can go fuck themselves, especially Hitch with his cursed dreamworks face.

>>302466
Do you expect us to ignore that you're god-modding and deleting posts that you don't like? The britfag didn't do anything more autistic than the people he was talking to. You shouldn't bring up people's post histories, even if they are being fags.

>unambiguously male features
>anon points out that unshorn fetlocks are a male horse trait
>the implicit assertion that [unshorn fetlocks/feathers] are gender-bending
I think you've conflated "unshorn fetlocks" with feathers (the term for horse hair that grows long over the hooves, which Clydesdales have). I hope you're not talking about real horses, because feathers are a trait shared by many breeds of horse that live in cold climates. These horses tend to be larger and more muscular than other breeds of horse, but there's nothing to suggest that only male horses have feathers - the females are exposed to the cold just as much as the males.

If you're talking about the design trend in FiM where only male horses that use Big Mac's animation model have "feathers," then I suppose that makes a bit more sense. It's been a while since I paid enough attention to a pony's design to notice something like that, so I personally wouldn't take it as an indication of masculinity or femininity. Furthermore, the new characters are 3D and in a new art style, so I think it's a bit unfair to say that a design trend from G4 would apply to them. I personally don't think we know enough about the G5 setting and lore/fluff to make judgements about its art direction yet: all we've seen are three of the main characters and one background.

>but the creator is a furry!
I know that, and I do agree that the creator's being a furry does indicate faggotry. You won't find me defending furries or defending overly cutesy sparkledog vomit like Imalou's art. However, based on my searching in on Twitter and DA, the earlier claims that the artist is a diaperfur with pro-pedo views do not seem to be substantiated. Pardon me for being out of the loop, but if there's something deeper that I don't know about then I'd like to be informed.

>>302499
They remind me of low-budget 3D television cartoons. The designs are clean to the point of being bland.

>>302500
Pretty much this.

>>302506
>They remind me of low-budget 3D television cartoons.
That's basically what this is as far as I can tell. My current working theory is that Hasbro is circling the drain and just doesn't care anymore. That's the only reason I can think of for these designs being approved.

La Creatura...

>>302499
Part of the reason behind the mostly mutual dislike is the blanderizing of equine physical features. There are no real distinctions between the models besides color and some 'eminently objective artistic decor', which makes them indistinct and thus untrustworthy. IE: the artist(s) don't realize that by copy-pasting the same body style over and over with nothing more than minor changes, their 'works' are inherently self-plagiarized spam. A slightly smaller issue is the grandstanding of using coloration differences & gradients that would APPEAR to create 'character differences', but don't add anything positive to each 'character'. This is basic fucking art 101.

>>302505
And here comes the leafbrit defending his fellow shabbos goy like the supercuck he is! Come back with some evidence to back up your premature projected assertions next time. And, oh, stop gaslighting everything like Niggel (((just becuz i leik wut uh leik))). It'll make your attempt at points valid for once.

>>302512
>gaslighting
You don't know what that word means and the fact you're using it is proof you're a normalfag. Disagreeing with you is not "gaslighting."
>Come back with some evidence
I'm not the one claiming the artist is a diaperfag and a pedo. I looked at "her" profiles on DA and Twitter and searched for some common words (diaper, pedo, furry) and found nothing incriminating. If you know something I don't, then by all means post it.

>premature projected assertions
>It'll make your attempt at points valid for once.
Please stop typing like an autistic teenager.

>>302516
*(diaper, pedo, furry, etc.)
Just so you don't go thinking that I only searched for literally those three words.

>>302505
You'll figure it out, I believe in you

>>302516
okay boomer.
>>302517
okay boomer.

imagine falling for the gee-five

>>302499
>Sunny
From the plot synopsis and info we've seen so far, Sunny appears to be the main character for this new gen. She's the pony that kicks off the plot and brings the others together.
Obviously we'll have to see more footage to come to a definitive conclusion, but so far her character design looks incredibly generic without any of the charm or distinctiveness that Twilight Sparkle had. In fact now that I think about it... she's an Earth pony, she's the new series protagonist, her role is to bring everyone together, her room is full of books and she's even seen reading one in the screenshot with the pegasi. She's literally Earth pony Twilight.

>Hitch
Gay furfag bait 100%.

>Izzy
I'll be honest, I kinda like Izzy so far. Her design is good and I like the idea of an excitable unicorn. Obviously a lot will depend on the dialogue and writing but at least she's visually appealing.

>>302382
One more thing I noticed when looking at this image again. It seems that the pegasi have an art deco aesthetic going on, and I dig it. I wonder if they will do anything interesting for the unicorn and Earth ponies.

>>302525
Get ready for a wave of furries and fandom locusts from Twitter to hop on the G5 bandwagon and fight to edge out what remains of the old FIM crowd. We're going to see repeats of the Derpibooru Aryanne fiasco as new blood tries to cancel edgy memes from the fandom's history.

>>302527
There's something about Sunny's colour palette that bothers me, which is odd because I don't think there's anything really wrong with it. Orange and magenta and white should combine decently, but it just seems like it doesn't work.
>I kinda like Izzy so far
In the abstract her character could have potential, but I don't have confidence in Hasbro or anyone associated to write "wacky" characters without making them grating idiots. Her design has a decent colour palette, but that's all I can say about it. As one anon mentioned much earlier, it really irks me that her horn is a different colour from her body.
>art deco pegasi
I didn't notice that at first. It could potentially be interesting, but the way it's presented there just feels very flat and plain. It really seems like the 3D budget was limited for this series and the animators are getting away with as little as they can.

At least we have ponerpics. It's safe from being raided by trannies and retards. It will preserve the legacy of greater times.

Do any of you actually have any hopes for this? Cuz if the synopsis is anything to go by, it'll be woke bullshit as far as the plot goes. Then there's the horrendous 3D animation style.
The worst part is that this might actually be a success for Hasbro too. Someone pulled stats from somewhere, and I don't know where the source was, but horsefuckers only account for about 5% of Hasbro's MLP toy sales.

I hate g5 for so many reasons. There is no sugar coating it. It's a corporate scheme to push diversity. It features ponies designed so bad, they look like a bunch of wicked shits from dora the explorer. They look terrible even compared to generic oc's standarts. Despite being a show targeted at little children, as hasbro often claims, they push the agenda of inequity and prejudice based on racial bias, which is not something a kid is going to understand.

When september comes, I am going to buy some popcorn, sit down and watch this movie. Then film it and host on pirate bay just so Hasbro will loose a fraction of their profit. This is how much I hate g5. I will draw grotesque pornography that will make you vomit buckets, featuring scenes so vile and disgusting that it will break you. This is how much I hate g5. I will write fanfiction so horrifying, it will make you wish you were never born, neither those behind the making of every single scene, every single line, every single character introduced. This is how fucking much I hate g-mother-fucking-5.

fuck trannies. fuck shills. fuck Izzy, pipp and fucking sunny starscout.

>>302538
It goes without saying that Hasbro is not concerned one iota if this new show captures or expands the brony audience. As far as Hasbro is concerned, the adult fanbase has always been an afterthought at best, and a troublesome pest at worst. All the porn and adult memes were damaging the MLP brand and it wasn't worth whatever tiny amount of sales they received from the fandom.
The only thing that has surprised me so far about G5 is the fact that they're still keeping it (supposedly) in the FIM universe. I was expecting another revamp of the setting like previous generations. I would have much preferred it that way so I didn't have to witness them rape FIM's lore anymore, but here we are.

>>302373
In my humble opinion, it doesn't matter where the universe is actually set, they will rape the lore of the previous generation no matter what. How do I know this will be the case? Because every other G4 writer to get hired onto the project has done so to the previous group of writers. Where every time there was an established lore in the making, the next writer retconed it to then start writing their own canon. Every writer wanted control of the show. The whole thing about the Castle of the Two Sisters and their journal is just a fragment of all that were and then destroyed.

Even if the g5 universe is independent or the same, they will put the new world they create on a pedestal and take a dump on everything that was the previous generation. And they will do so because all these writers have huge Ego complexes.

How blunt or subtle they will go about it is any one's guess. But seeing how the CEO himself went from the Brand Blueprint of 2015 of "Interactive play and Storytelling", to "Inclusion and Diversity" you can see a sharp turn in how this new MLP show will turn out, especially with the press release of the main character being a "Political Activist". Added to the fact of the internal leaks where they wanted to cut Applejack because she was "Hick Shit" well. I have no faith that they would respect any of the g4's original conservative values, such as family, and friendship.

>>302392
>>302391
>>302382

They already tried to make the Storm King a bumbling baboon based on Trump, from the gesturing to how they portray Trump to be. I wouldn't doubt the same and wouldn't even doubt there being some Hillary or Biden figure as the saint and savoir.

But we can speculate all we want on how that part will play out but if true about the divided world, well right there they just did a HUGE retcon of the shows lore. Hearhtwarming is when all three tribes, Earth, Pegasus, and Unicons came together. What happens when they are divided? Windigos.

The very last episode showed that Windigos were real, and a magic that was outside the normal magic. I doubt that they are made purely of magic but are ancient spirits. As agian, shown in that one episode of the retelling of a Christmas Carol when Snowfall Frost called upon the spirits.

So with out a world covered in Ice and Snow, how the heck are they going to explain that unless set in a completly new universe.

>>302543
>The only thing that has surprised me so far about G5 is the fact that they're still keeping it (supposedly) in the FIM universe. I was expecting another revamp of the setting like previous generations. I would have much preferred it that way so I didn't have to witness them rape FIM's lore anymore, but here we are.
Actually the fact that horsefuckers were that little of the market share and subsequently held in less regard by Hasbro is what surprised me least about this exchange of facts, considering it generated a whole helluva lot of buzz; but I guess that shouldn't have so much, considering what they did in seasons 8 and 9.
Just look at what happened with Star Wars. Corporation takes the soul of a huge hit, gotten there because of conservative values of family and friendship, and then leaves it to woke activist writers to extract and decimate that soul little by little every episode, so that they can save and therefore make money by outputting a worse product with a higher profit margin. It's destructive corporatism 101. In fact the more they can rape the previous generation, the better (for profits). Cameos and callbacks keep people coming back, as well as ragebait.
They know exactly what they're doing, and I really doubt anything's going to stop them.

>>302469
truly little ponies

>>302490
>he think the lore matters anymore
anon, i......

>>302538
>but horsefuckers only account for about 5% of Hasbro's MLP toy sales.
That doesn't matter.
Kids nowadays are playing less and less with plastic toys and are instead spending their parent's credit card on lootboxes and donating to streamers.

>>302569
Disney's been losing money for a considerable time now, but it has never been about the money anon...or did we got to see any shinning diversity six's toys?

>>302569
I mean, we did, a miserable token merch and it took them like a year after the show ended and trannies started screeching for them.

>>302569
>>302619
Hasbro is a toy company in an age of digital media. They have all these IPs, and no clue on how to utilize them.
What I see happening is them failing at some point in time - maybe the toy sales dip too low, maybe G5 is such a disaster that they hemorrhage money to such extremes that they outright die. I'm not too concerned about Hasbro, but the thing I worry about is the fate of the MLP IP. When Hasbro goes under, chances are they get bought up by some other company. And there's one megacorporation specifically dealing in physical goods. Hopefully Amazon won't be too brutal with the IP if they get it once they buy Hasbro outright.
If Hasbro starts undergoing Chapter 11, if the MLP IP goes up for sale, if there are any anons out there who've made it, you know what to do. Fingers crossed Linkies go to ETH or Bitcoin prices.

>>302632
Honestly my working theory is that Hasbro is circling the drain and has been for some time now. From what I understand they got caught blatantly lying to investors about the returns from the movie (or something, I forget the details). They are probably at the point where the people at the top are quietly cannibalizing everything they can before the company suddenly announces bankruptcy one day. They likely don't give a shit what happens with MLP because they don't expect it to turn a profit either way. They probably just gave the development staff free rein to do whatever they wanted with the series, which of course means they're going to churn out some trendy ideological garbage with mediocre character designs and ugly animation. One day all of those people will show up for work and find the offices empty.

>>302620
It is? I thought that was a result of corona and everyone getting pushed out of theaters and parks. It's rebounded significantly since a bit over a year ago. I agree with this anon >>302638. It's a select few taking the IP and by extension the company and its friendship for everything it's got before it inevitably folds. Well, without any structural innovation, that is. Putting forth effort to catch up to the times. But that's never been the modus operandi of grifting CEOs.
Disney's case is a bit different in that they have other means of making money, but the general idea is the same. Take a franchise that's good, slash and burn, onto the next big hit. The fate of the company and its fans and workers is a secondary or tertiary matter. I guess I should have specified in my original post, apologies.

>>302632
Is there any way to crowdfund the buying of a company? Ponies for the people!

>>302638
That's the thing, if what you say is true, and the people at the top are just cannibalizing Hasbro before everything goes to the wolves, for every last penny, then when the money gets tighter, the IPs will go for sale. Look at what happened with Shopko. The stores used to own the property their stores sat on, but the private equity that cannibalized them sold the actual land and took all the profits and dumped the debt onto the stores. The stores then had to pay rent on the land their stores sat on, and they flopped.
https://www.axios.com/shopko-bankruptcy-sun-capital-547b97ba-901c-4201-92cc-6d3168357fa3.html

The takeaway isn't just the /pol/ takeaway that private equity is shit, the proper /biz/ mindset of how do I make bank off of this should be, did I buy the land the stores sat on when the private equity forced the company to sell that land? So apply that to Hasbro - sooner or later, if private equity dives in, they might sell off the IPs and take the money from the sale of those IPs.
So therein lies the /biz/ question - did I buy the IP when it went up for sale? The Transformers IP is probably way beyond what anyone on /toy/ or /co/, even a crowdfunded effort, could afford to buy, but I genuinely doubt MLP as an IP is more than a few tens of millions. A hundred million at most, and that's seriously stretching it. That is within crowdfunded effort range.

>>302648
How does one crowdfund buying an intellectual property? Hasbro's market cap is ~12 billion, there is no way /mlp/, crowdfunded or not, could afford to buy Hasbro lock stock and barrel, but the IP itself is certainly within reach. Is partial ownership of an IP legally allowed?
There probably also needs to be a mandatory minimum contribution dollar amount of something like $10k, otherwise the idiots who bought a teeny chunk of 0.00000001% of the IP for a dollar might become a legal hindrance.
Depends on the final auction price, over $100 million, while highly unlikely, means well shit, because I have no clue how many anons post on /mlp/, but if 4stats means anything, 4000 posts per day is not 4000 unique IPs, and it's way out of crowdfunding range. Low tens of millions is reachable with crowdfunding if the partial ownership of the IP can be set up somehow and dividends from licensing the IP for toy sales can be set up.

>>302650
>Low tens of millions is reachable with crowdfunding if the partial ownership of the IP can be set up somehow and dividends from licensing the IP for toy sales can be set up.
That's getting into legal and financial territory I'm wholly unfamiliar with, but would be really interested to know about. Could anyone think of a better outcome for the franchise, given the state of affairs?

>>302648
>>302650
>>302656
Once you have the IP you have to always defend it legally speaking. Lawyers all the time. Willingly pushing it into the public domain could be a massive clusterfuck. On the flipside making MLP content of anykind would no longer be legally gray. As such for profit projects involving the cast and music and art style would be accessible. Plus side poners for everyone! Downside literally everyone has access to poners, which is technically and upside... Can still make money on it. Downside Hasbro and others can pumpout all the pony all the time.
To keep the IP private would require loads o' moneh. However contracting lawyers, (paperwork filler outers), the people who make the show, and everything else could be possible. While on a budget.
Downside to this, if the money dries up the IP is on the line.
Plus side, if successful all the poners.
Assuming this is under the guise of one business entity with the IP holders as a board of directors kind of shitck.

>>302657
That's a legit issue, simply buying the IP in the first place is a struggle, and for a lot of people the IP would need to stay private, at least for a little bit, until the losses are recouped. $10k is a lot of money to just thrust an IP into the public domain. Then comes the legal bullshit. You're not wrong, big companies regularly copyright infringe all the time, because the little guy can't afford the lawyers.
What you just said about public domain is a thing, though, could one person who bought a teeny chunk of the IP for $10k, who now owns, say, about 0.025% of the IP, block the entire IP from becoming public domain? I'm not too sure if it needs to be a unanimous vote.

>>302673
I forgot about this earlier and I really shouldn't have.
Cutting up the IP, and licensing seperate parts. Like a knock off Games Workshop, but with pones.
From my very limited understanding, Intellectual Property is not usually spilt up unless radical changes occur. Such as Gen 1-3 to FiM. With Disney locking in its very specific brand of altered public domain stories.
The interesting thing is I'm not sure I've seen franchises within an animation industry akin to restaurant franchises.
>Franchise of MLP to different groups.
It's all about the contract in any case, but a franchise has a preconceived notion (in the public) about what you're about to recieve.
And it can be an innumerable amount of them.
So here's the question, what would be the main goal for FiM?
Maximize poners, and recoup losses?
What would the IP investers do? Should they do anything? Would it be a special licensing contract with every investor, or a range?

I've got an insane idea that by all means shouldn't work and doesn't make sense, but PonerCoin. However many cryptoponycoins grants access to a license depending on how much is used, like a miners credit cough, loot boxes, microtransactions, pay to play, 'paying for exposer' scams, cough. Or the longhaul lifetime gambling system of E.V.E. online.
Given not through crunching meaningless data, but being the workhorse for various production systems (Such as generating pony AI voices). Or even as part of work incentives (like company stock).
With more contracts (or bits or coins) for excellent work or for percent of monetary sales (of that specific product produced).
Or even do something like Unreal Engine. Or RPGMaker.
Even acting as a payment processor for the teams of people working with the IP.

>>302682
If you want to go down that route, instead of ponycoin, you're probably better off making a new corporation outright, MLP Inc, or something, then giving bits of ownership of the corporation to folks who chipped in, like stocks. That is probably unironically an easier thing to do than doing cryptocurrency of all things. Any leftover money from buying the IP and making the corporation with the ownership bits, goes into developing some kind of media or another. Or that leftover money goes back to the people by percent contribution.
>Maximize poners, and recoup losses
That is the one-track mindset to repeating what Hasbro has done. If the objective is to sell, sell, sell merch, then your end result is Pony Life, EQG, and G5.

I will say this, there is definitely no shortage of content that can go into a pony game, and even without sequels, there is just so damn much worldbuilding that can be made into media of some kind or another. Star Wars/Disney unintentionally discovered a key to success, though I'm not sure if they realize it - spinoffs, not sequels. The same needs to apply to pony. Hasbro, being brainless idiots who don't realize that Faust literally gave them a character to make spinoffs, didn't do shit with it.
But realize that Daring Do exists. She is literally built for RPGs. Vinyl Scratch, your rhythm game spinoff, special participation from Octavia Melody, or if you could somehow get a guitar hero guitar controller working, it's even better.
And then there's the Hearth's Warming tale, which I am 100% sure is not as simple as 'Everyone was in a cave and became frens!' Not to mention the actual process of uniting 3 tribes of ponies. That's at least 3 seasons worth of content for a TV show, if you wanted to do that. Just make sure the animation style is more the movie, less the show, with actual magical fighting and stuff.

But right now these are all pipe dreams. Wishes, from the unlikely chance as of right now that anons could actually own the IP, instead of Amazon snatching it up or something. I've been getting hopeful that the IP is sold separately from Hasbro itself, but now that I think about it, that only regularly happens if corporate raiding with private equities happens.

>>302779
Friday Night Funkin is immensely popular right now and so easily moddable that the source code is out there and easily findable.
People have made Undertale mods for it, Vocaloid mods, and more.
It would be easy to make a MLP mod with some ponies taking the place of the rappers and DJ Pon3 in the background scratching discs while taking The Girlfriend's place.

>>302682
>I've got an insane idea that by all means shouldn't work and doesn't make sense, but PonerCoin.
As much as it would be nice to have a sophisticated form of investment when the time comes, it might be a bit much to ask at the outset, wouldn't it? I don't think I've ever heard of anything like this happening before.

>>302779
>I've been getting hopeful that the IP is sold separately from Hasbro itself, but now that I think about it, that only regularly happens if corporate raiding with private equities happens.
Without really knowing what that means, I guess we'll just have to wait and hope and see. Should something like that happen, would MLP be one of the first to go, or the last, or somewhere in between? How far off do we think Hasbro would be from tanking?

>>302786
Normally, if a company goes bankrupt, the bank that now owns the company tries to offload the assets as quickly as possible - JP Morgan isn't interested in owning the Transformers IP. In that case, there's a chance to grab the MLP IP at auction. However, what happens sometimes is when the bankrupt company is bought wholesale, and the IPs go with the company. There are more than a few interested parties that might see the opportunity to grab a shitton of valuable IPs, Transformers being the absolute biggest by itself. Hasbro owns Monopoly, Battleship, Scrabble, D&D, and a bunch of other board game IPs. Half of the toys and board games you ever played with are probably Hasbro owned IP products. Not to mention they have the toymaking license for everything else they don't outright own - all the Disney stuff, Hasbro has an agreement with Disney to make their toys.
They are massive beyond comprehension, but they are struggling.
I cite Amazon repeatedly because they deal in physical goods. Grabbing the biggest toymaker in the world would be a godsent to Amazon, or a devilsent for everyone else. And it would fuck over the idea of grabbing the MLP IP, since the MLP IP goes with the bulk wholesale purchase to Amazon.

I don't see Hasbro failing just yet. I'd give it about 3-5 years, and check back. If Hasbro manages to transition to a media company like they should have for the past decade, they'll survive because they're too big to fail. If they persist with trying to be a toymaker, they will die.
I take one glance at G5 and I believe the latter is true.

If we're lucky and IPs go up for auction, the board games and Transformers will be the big name stuff. MLP might catch the attention of the big fish like Amazon because they want to buy the world, but it won't be their primary focus. Dedication and media attention, especially with twatter crowds, might be extremely useful in telling Amazon to fuck off and let us buy the IP - popular support has a way with companies like Amazon that need to attempt to look like they're not the mega-evil monopoly, and if the grassroots crowdfunded purchasing idea happens, there might legitimately be enough social resistance to other companies trying to buy the IP.
If Hasbro isn't bankrupt but is selling off IPs to stay afloat, I expect MLP to go for sale pretty early on - there's smaller stuff like the Pet Shop stuff that could go first. But look at their toy IP line - Play-doh, Nerf, even GI Joe, and pretty much all of those IPs are bigger than the MLP stuff. For context, GI Joe - Rise of Cobra got $175 million in 2009 dollars for development. The MLP movie had a production budget of 6.5 million. Neither include advertising, but I didn't see a single MLP movie ad, and I did see GI Joe ads.

Fingers crossed, of course, there's no guarantee of anything. Hell, there's no guarantee a crowdfunded effort to buy an IP would even succeed. Kickstart is littered with dead dreams.

>>302813
I don't think a crowdfund could get enough money together, to be honest. The MLP ip would almost certainly auction for over $10 million, possibly in the low $100 millions. It's not a billion dollar ip like Star Wars, but it's still very valuable. This fandom's only chance to afford MLP at auction would be if one of us was a bitcoin millionaire.

>>302813
>I don't see Hasbro failing just yet. I'd give it about 3-5 years, and check back.
That sounds about right. We'll just have to keep watch, it's not like we won't be privy to some of their successes or failings here.

>Dedication and media attention, especially with twatter crowds, might be extremely useful in telling Amazon to fuck off and let us buy the IP - popular support has a way with companies like Amazon that need to attempt to look like they're not the mega-evil monopoly, and if the grassroots crowdfunded purchasing idea happens, there might legitimately be enough social resistance to other companies trying to buy the IP.
This would be our biggest advantage, meaning if an idea like this were going to have a hope of being pulled off, I'm thinking it would have to be disseminated to quite a lot of people before it went up for sale. I'd rather count on that than hoping something would get trending without having done any legwork beforehand. Though I will admit that posting anything on 4chan without a VPN myself would make me kind of uncomfortable, so I can't really ask anyone else to do so right now. It's more about what I don't know that bothers me and a dash of paranoia. I just need to up my /cyb/ game a bit more, as always.

>>302854
I guess we'd better get investing, then, and have faith. There might be a horsefucker out there that has the cash to spare, or will get it. A little number crunching says that at the very low end, 1-2000 poners dropping 10 grand might be enough, and this is the kind of autism that compels people to buy a $1000 plushie of their waifu, maybe more than one. So... considering there are or were a surprising amount of horsefuckers out there, which is kind of anomalous in itself, it might not be completely out of the realm of possibility. If a bit out of left field.

>>302198
I've always hated anon stories but I respect him as a 4chan mainstay, I just prefer to read fantasy stories about ponies, not humans, and I am not single so I have no need to pine for a waifu.

>>302656
I am happy I stumbled upon this thread, I;ve been working on a competative franchise for a few months now to topple g5 and hasbro. Heres the deal with hasbro as I see it. I dont think theyre going away, they will definately slim down, but WoTC arm of their business model is going to carry them as long as twitch games continues to stream D&D and D&D like games. Table top games are entering a kind of mini renaisance right now and that share of the market is really where Hasbro has the capability to breath air as they fight the current. But the issue is that hasbro generally has the wrong attitude about money

I know we meme on jews a lot, but in the past, /co/ and /toy/ and /mlp/ have joked in just the opposite steroetype. Hasbro hates money. They absolutely are unquestionably are the market leader in their industry lock stock and barrel. but they don't behave that way. They behave like illumination, they behave like a third rate shithole chinese sweat shop, knocking off ideas of more popular and more successful companies. Things like lol-dolls, monster high, etc, all catch their eye and they desperately try to follow the trends. They are, against all odds, a company that should be setting trends and instead tries to buy the top every time.

In that spirit, while they could survive they might simply die to their own hubris outright even though they have everything they need to crawl their way out of this mess.

So that's the business context of how to harry them. As for how to buy them or the IP outright, you guys are looking at it with your heart in the right place, and if an angle investor dumped a billion meme coin in my lap I would definately be trying to do what y ou are doing for the same reason, but on the business playing field, crowdfunding is not the way to go. You want to create a business that can enshrine mlp as an effective and money driven asset. The only thing you need to do at that point is resist the temptation to go public. People go public because the jew makes them filthy rich. Unbelievably so. But that is who will buy the IP in the end, it will have to go in the hands of a company who can handle the responsability, even if that responsability is just to hand out liscences.

How do you gain that reputation as a company? let alone the cash flow? I have my ideas under NDA, but the thing about business is that there are many roads to the same goal. You don't have to do what I am doing, and probably shouldn't. One of us will bottle lightning again, and take the pony crown, if we work and think hard enough. And those who do not have time to work or think just need us to do enough to captivate them and earn the vote of their dollar.

>>302673
The thing about public domain is you are handing the industry that can pump out content the knife with which to slit your own throat. Yes we want to have ponies be for everyone, but when we say everyone we don't mean hasbro, we don't mean the sweatshops, we don't want ea making garbage pony sports divegrass, we don't want bethesda and tod howard making horsegame.

Gatekeeping still needs to happen, and it needs to happen because if we don't we will be overrun.

>>302682
>The interesting thing is I'm not sure I've seen franchises within an animation industry akin to restaurant franchises.
you're refering to liscencing here.
>It's all about the contract in any case, but a franchise has a preconceived notion (in the public) about what you're about to recieve.
This is trademark. and this is the most important hurdle I and any who would walk the path I choose to need to solve. how do you give pone to people to create products? if anyone can do it, then you dont own a trademark, and one of the reasons you cant just say "okay everyone can do it just give me a royalty" is because the goods need to meet a certain standard of expectation which is exactly what you said. You cant go to a mcdonalds, order a big mac and recieve a tortilla. If restaurants started doing this they would be screwed in the trademark side of their business, and its one of the legal reasons the big mac almost didn't happen, and what makes secret menus, "secret"

>What is the goal of fim
The business entity would probably be better off stating their own goal and letting the people look towards their behavior and leadership. NGL this puts me at a pretty decent disadvantage but I don't think you can really rely on a business entity to a full extent. My goals will always be to grow the company, and while I wont be willing to make the sacrifices you wouldnt make, that doesn't mean that the world isn't filled with temptation, mafia like rakets, nor other forces that could conspire to undermine me.

>>302682
>giving a currency that is backed by labor.
Be careful anon, (((they're watching)))

>>303017
The dream would be a private company with full ownership of the rights, which then licenses the property out to third parties to make new media in the setting. Similar to how LucasArts would let other game companies make stuff with the Star Wars brand. I feel that's a nice middle ground between public domain and private IP ownership.

>>303026
I agree with the system. but it's not as simple as saying "go." you will need a company that can manage that task and also advertise and get people excited about its IP.s, all without public trading and investment, that means that all of our money has to come from customers and angel investors with direct cash returns to their investment. It's not an easy thing to accomplish, and you better believe you can get shit if you try to make enough money to do it. I am probably going to be a very controvertial figure if this project of mine ever takes off. But you have to pay the lawyers, you have to get people not only believing you can do the thing, they have to believe you can do bigger and better things in the future, that their investment will be returned.

>>303013
>>303017
>>303031
Bugger. I had hoped it would be as easy as showing how much anons loved the pone. It's starting to sound to an untrained ear like the business has to come first, pony second, which is unfortunately kind of intuitive when you think about it. In fact, apologies for the newfag question, is there someplace someone could learn all this stuff without going through the hassle of getting an MBA? Maybe a book perhaps, just to be familiar with this kind of stuff and know a bit of the jargon? "Lurk moar newfaggot" being an acceptable response as always.

>>303092
No shame, I'm not an mba holder at all. New IP btw.
I am literally a chucklefuck who has no incentive to keep playing ball. I have seen the rise and, in my opinion, fall, of /pol/ culture. Its had its ups and downs and I am still loyal to a point, but I consider the subversion both here and there largely successful because of the result of the replies I get when I talk about this stuff on that board and in /pol/ topics here. Us died in the wool horsefuckers are different though, we, to a point, get shit done. When we see obstacles or have to go out of our way to do things differently or stuff we might not be that invested in, we do it for pony. The idea of learning business, banking, investment, and other /biz/ type solutions is what blackpilled me on /pol/. They are going the same route as my dad, hoping, praying for the boogaloo that will never come.

They want their investment into guns, politics, and violence, to pay out big time, they're hoping for the bullrun to end all bullruns. And I fundamentally agree that there needs to be a willingness to commit violence for a healthy societal immune system, but that bull has been an ox for a long time. It ends up just being an excuse to do nothing. They not only don't want to get invested in more esoteric sides of business, they aren't even willing to be a business maverick and learn to monetize the things they actually do care about.

Let me tell you an Open business secret, one that I was shocked to find was basically true everywhere. A truth that came disassembled but you can put together at any time. Good ideas don't sell. Everybody has good business ideas. I can tell you loads of ones I don't plan to do, each of them will be the next big thing in our minds, except they wont. Why? because it doesn't matter how good your idea is. The bottleneck will always be the information network, disseminating your idea onto the masses and getting them to buy in. You can be the best writing author you want, but in the end it is a totally different skill set than writing when it comes to selling your product. If you want your product to make money, you have to learn what it takes to be a best selling author. And There's the crux. American and westerners as a culture hate sales. If you talk to 90% of the poor and ask them how they feel about a sales job, they will tell you they hate it. I will tell you I hate it. But that's (((their))) secret weapon. They love sales. The skill set of learning to sell a product is intimately similar to friendship is magic. It's a process called networking and the network is what you need to sell products. People who master this have to prostitute themselves to some extent. They have to face judgement, ridicule, and rejection. These are things we all like to pretend we're innoculated against because we're in the ocean of piss, but the truth is these sensations cause literal pain circuits to fire in the brain. It's suffering to endure and master this kind of skill for a highly empathic race. No one wants to upsale and make people buy more shit they don't need when they care about their customer right? We all know business has to screw eachother over a little bit in order to function. We inherently disown the whole industry of sales because we instinctiely know what it will do to us.

So I don't blame or hate anyone for not doing this. But this is in my opinion the most defining reason why conservatives keep losing. Back when these exchanges took place at organized gun point it was a little more bareable, but now that gunship days are behind us, the only thing sales brings up in the american public is a death of a salesman. The jew, the marxist and the neocon alike all do their level best to create services and products so good or cheap that you cant go without them. Pony is a prime example of this, so is comcast, so is the litany of cheap foods, chinese imports. No matter how we revile them, they have appeal because people keep feeding from the trough. And this is where the big brain has to come out for us if we want to win. It's not enough to have that good idea. We have to master the modern implementation of networking, We have to master the processes that not only make the idea real, but bring it to the people, and protect it from destruction. This is what security and lawyers do. I am not exactly picture perfect when it comes to this board, A dox, even a faked suicide would be real concerns for me if I ever got big, but you have attacks coming at other angles too, media companies ganging up on you, payment processers closing down. There are real threats and complicating factors that you have to take on.

And the number one reason I'm droning on and on about this when you just asked for books is that while I am more than willing to tell you what I am reading to figure this out, you have to take the lesson in this movie the heart the most if you want to succeed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJcBqwKq0qw
The complications and logistical aspects to our path don't have a set solution, and while books can help you think about how to approach the problems you need to solve, only can come up with the solutions to make the problems happen.

Of course, theres one other ingredient this movie does miss on, but luckily, we care about another franchise that knows all about the magic of friendship.

And now for the books
Rich dad Poor dad is a little old hat but its the great starting point, While far from perfect and a little blue pilled as all these books will be, it is what I consider the best book + series to start with because it can teach a poorer person how to approach these problems.

After that, you want to look at books on sales, raising capital, and entrepreneurship. it can be better to find books based in the industry you are trying to break into.

Finally though, you definitely want to take some time and examine yourself, your own weaknesses, if you struggle with depression or the like, there's upward spiral.

>>303104
Yep, the secret is that a business has to sell things. It's everywhere, it's fundamental and it's shunned. In Ready, Fire, Aim the best thing to know how to do is sell your product to who you want to sell it to. Usually it's everyone (if you sell golf balls, are you selling to a family or a professional golfer), how you go about doing it is the trick.
To get things done business and love and war operate the same. The Prince, and The Art of War are ingredients. Psychology, and MEMES, persuasion, advertising, and communicating good.(Jocko Podcast for various things, also they are a business consultant as well.)
To be one of the best is to fully embrace Friendship on every level.
The metric is succeeding in every aspect.
We need logistics to fend off those that wish to cause us harm, and logistics (networking) to help (and be helped by) our customers.
Basically it is just sell stuff good. If you do it right people will love you for it and hand over their wallets. (FlexSeal products come to mind.)
Do it all the time and master selling, you start playing in the big leagues.
To become bigger requires Friendship, or the soul crushing counterpart slavery but with extra steps. (Other people have to be experts at selling as well, as the CEO/OWNER being The Guy who can sell stuff is the job.)
To be the biggest is the most well guarded 'secret'. We already know it, but we're going up hill all the way.

That's the core of it all. Have to defend and attack on legal fronts, have to defend and attack on Public Relation fronts, have to defend and attack on production fronts, have to defend and attack on internal fronts, and the one thing holding it all together is defending and attacking on the selling front.

Banding together as 'angel investors' does work, but turning the initial money into more money (ie buying goods and services to have the production to make your goods, to commit to SELLING). Even nonprofit organizations work the same way.

Also multiple products means multiple avenues for fun and profit. And loseing lots of money.

>>303104
>>303119
Thanks for the book recommendations, gentlemen, and for the advice in general.

>We all know business has to screw eachother over a little bit in order to function. We inherently disown the whole industry of sales because we instinctiely know what it will do to us.
Precisely, sales have never come easy to me because I figure if an idea is good, then it will sell on its own, and even more importantly to me, it's felt like it's too close to lying or that what I'm actually selling is my soul. Something like an above-board agreement has always been easier for me to justify to myself; purposely screwing someone over, no matter how slightly, would probably eat me up inside. So it's maybe a tough lesson to learn.
Although, I think there's a way I could make it work. Probably would require personal strength more than anything. People often engage in suboptimal behavior because they don't quite think things through, I guess if all they're looking for is a leader to tell them what's good I could fill that role on occasion. It's just the unending taxation of being put in that position that would get to me. So, for now I ought to gather strength and hit the books, and the ideas will come and go as they do.

>To get things done business and love and war operate the same.
Similarly, that could be worked with, since I think there's definitely honorable and not so honorable ways in dealing with an enemy combatant. Like I alluded to above, the worst enemy I have often to contend with is my inner critic; long as it's sated everything else is fair game.

>>303184
The Upcost is for being the most expedient solution. Also to cover other costs in detail.
Carnival games operate the same. The prizes are dirt cheap to aquire (well not that cheap but still) the increase in price comes from the fun and the experience (also making everything happen). Sure some small toys are cents, but having the chance to 'Earn' them changes the product into something more desirable. Something with history and deeper sentimental meaning.
While most things arn't to that grand degree you're offering to take the load off of going through the hassle of searching for the solution you've found.
>there's definitely honorable and not so honorable ways in dealing with an enemy combatant.
The similarities extend to honorable (respectable) and dishonorable (unrespectable) combatants as well.
So there is methods that are edge on being unethical (there are methods that are unethical flat out), and context and circumstances have to be a factor as well.

Sometimes in the field the line is blurry, other times it's clear. So selling things to what you both agree to (to some extent) is the mark of doing right to someone.
They get to feel good about feeding you (and your employees and their families) and keeping you afloat. You made someone save their time and effort for other things. Or to open the way to enjoy your thing without massive hassle.

>>303184
Ultimately you're the good guy, but you're playing in the wild west as a vigilante beholden to you, what you do, and what others try to enact upon you.
Travel carefully with a big stick that brings a smile. Do what is right unto others, and keep in mind staying afloat means helping more people more effectively. Across time as well.
Some people will not hesitate to take advantage of you. In every aspect, but trust is required to be the hero.

Sometimes lines have to be drawn and sacrifices made, that too can be soul biting. Many times it's not.
One more resource, The Black Swan Group (jewtube, book, amd business consultant) (the main stuff can be gleaned from videos amd effort as always) is led by ex-seaEyeA hostage negotiator, and ex-suicide hotline operator. Those same principles apply to every (normalish, which is a damned lot of people,) human interaction. That's what they do fundamentally.

>>303188
>no itty bitty crotch titties on the clown filly
what for?

>>303017
Public domain is one of those things of last resort I was dreaming of. It's the nuke, the in case the business is flopping and the debt is mounting and some other company is eyeing the IP. The absolute worst case scenario is the crowdfunded company getting snatched up itself by, say, Disney. If the IP is dumped into the public domain, no army of lawyers Disney has will be able to do shit.

>>303104
>>303119
That's exactly why I speak of spinoffs. You have the main, central, storyline - in our case, most of G4 involving the Mane 6. When you speak of compromise, the idea that might come to mind is the central storyline having to be compromised in the name of making money, on staying afloat. Spinoffs, if they're successful, let you stay afloat without needing to touch the central storyline. I look at Disney's Mandalorian as the most recent example. It's a spinoff based on a few years after the end of 6. The central story isn't the Republic or Empire, something that would alter the entire plotline of Star Wars, it's some bounty hunter. Same goes for that movie Rogue One. Spinoff, constrained within the canon of Episodes 4, 5, and 6. If it flops, it doesn't fuck up the whole plotline. If it succeeds, you rake in the cash.

The issue that I see with trying to make money, especially off of the direct fanbase, is the fact that a lot of stuff is custom made, by smaller retailers. Plushes are the best example. People spend thousands of dollars on plushes. Great business opportunity, especially if you can work with economies of scale, but the issue is singular - who would spend even $200 on the mass-produced when they can spend $1000 on a custom by a Russian who will go so far as to put magnets inside so the plushie can mlem or close its eyes with the magnetized eyelid patches?
From a business perspective, it would absolutely be in your best interest to start up your own plushiemancing, and use the IP and lawyers to go after anyone who makes plushies. See where that leads? A lot of money comes from merchandise sales, that's the reason why Hasbro is still a toy company. Big youtubers don't make money from ads, they make money from merchandise sales from their screaming 8-year-old fanbase who uses their parent's credit card to buy the signed Jake Paul shirt for $50.

Proper MLP games need to be a thing, and if they make money the merchandise might not even be that important. I mentioned it before, Daring Do is perfect for being an RPG character in a spinoff. You have the world Faust built, where Daring Do goes on adventures and steals ancient treasures to put into the Equestrian museums. You have wild monsters and all kinds of creatures like that. Those are your enemies, to grind, or defeat and take materials from - Timberwolf wood, Bugbear wings, Chimera Horns. Ahuizotl the main boss. You already have a Zebra potionmaster, you could put another Zebra potion merchant in the settlement to sell you potions that are too strong for you. An Apple cousin of some kind as a local guide, since there are Apples everywhere.
Personally I wouldn't have put too much stock in Fighting is Magic succeeding in that big of a way, before it was Them's Fighting Herds. Things were based too much on the pastel designs of the show, things looked quite...childish. Same thing if a Daring Do RPG occurs - it would need to feel more like the movie, less like the show.

Of course, all of this is conjecture. Hasbro isn't even guaranteed to fail, G5 hasn't come out yet, a lot can still happen.

>>303212
Why not try open-source licensing?

>>303212
>From a business perspective, it would absolutely be in your best interest to start up your own plushiemancing, and use the IP and lawyers to go after anyone who makes plushies. See where that leads? A lot of money comes from merchandise sales, that's the reason why Hasbro is still a toy company. Big youtubers don't make money from ads, they make money from merchandise sales from their screaming 8-year-old fanbase who uses their parent's credit card to buy the signed Jake Paul shirt for $50.
It really isn't in my best interest to do any of that. the reason it's in hasbros best interest is because theyre a giant toy company who owns a ton of machinery used to produce these kinds of products. I as a person and a business only benefit from outsourcing and liscencing as you mentioned because it means I do not have to create and take on the risk of giant factories, factories as we just discussed, that are under an enormous ammount of financial risk because of hasbros lack of a digital presence. So I want to emphasise that again in case any angel investers are watching. This is not a problem you have to deal with if you invest in me or another small horse fucker to create a company strong enough to level the playing field for us. The reason I am so optimistic in these threads is because I realize where most don't is that we have increadible opportunities in our market. Every strong company is a network. The services that connect and maintain a network end up having the most influence for a reason, Twitter, face book, etc, all because they contain more people acting within their product space. We have the potential to reach similar heights primarily because we have a disadvantage in production and a legion of people who need passionate work and self made drive.

>Proper MLP games need to be a thing,
This is something everyone agrees on and are working on in their own way, so I dont mind tilting my hand here. I think this is the next big thing for horse stuff, someone is going to try to recapture the bottle of lightning that is mlp with a video game that is undertale levels of successful. I think this is the most feasible way of creating a new horse empire but it is not the only ace I have up my own personal sleeve. The advantages of a video game are many, mainly the production cost. And while the problems of video games are many, they are ultimately ameliorated by our new streaming entertainment space. the new and old market are already intensely aware that if they get cold feet on the game, they can watch someone else play it and enjoy the storyline and exploration themselves, which is also free advertisement.

The issue is that a lot of people want to use the existing MLP franchise, and I see this as their greatest mistake. I think a company that gets big enough to buy mlp will need to create their own horsey IPs, characters and world. Especially when most of /mlp/ proper suggested their hopes for g5 is a brand new world with different mechanics and lore.

>thems fighting herds
This is a nice lesson for us too. TFH was """"successful"""" largely as a fighting game and not as a platform for its story. I think it should be fairly obvious by now that certain genres of game deliver a world and story much more tightly than others.

>Hasbro isn;t gaurenteed to fail
Imho, the attitude to have is to get big enough to just negotiate and buy the IP like sony did spiderman and ignore hasbro. We shouldnt be praying for the boogaloo here. We need to create our companies and work to the betterment of pony. I would love angel investors to shower their hopes and dreams on my ass of course. but I am also benefited by other horse start ups, especially ones that do similar things to me.

>>303216
Same problem as public domain.
Large companies can sell your product and IP and wash away the little guys influence in a sea of cheap plastic and felt.
the other problem with OS is that as mentioned, if you make it in a way that doesn't make any money, you are not gaining any power to fight against these corporate behaviors and other bad faith globohomo stuff. Literally creating franchises and only loaning them out to smaller companies may be the wrong play in any other time but right now I think right now its actually the right one. There is a ton of government discontent, a Ton of need for personal non drudgery business as businesses fail and people get sucked into streaming and wage slavery (like me). and there is a ton of need for hope in public conciousness. Designing a fantastical solution to these problems quickly enough to be disceminated through the network is the challenging bit. I welcome others who have no interest in investing in me to give it a go too.

I personally have no funding as of now other than the wage cage cash I get inbetween studying for the pieces of knowledge needed for the company. I have at least one secret asset and business deal and that's about it. It's still anyones game, but if we don't band together eventually, we'll never defeat hasbro seperately.

"What did you think would happened? That I would face Hasbro with nothing but a cane?"

Going the extra distance in every area will make a splash. There is a place for everthing in the poner domain. Or even a new (maybe similar) IP to woo the hearts and minds.
Lovecraft and poners work very well. Infact the Spike's magic comic book stuff invites superhero stuff as well. Where every 'issue' could be a canon micro story in a story. Not only that the multiple dimentions and innocent references one could bridge a new IP to pony or visversa.
Everything from under the sun, civ builders, farming games, business management, dressup things. Even turn based games or shooter pie/pillow fight based games.
Digital comics, and enough (fan)fiction writers to shake a stick at. The porn is a selling point that must be considered as well. Even cooking games, shows, books, recipes, or actual restaurants.
To licencing out party merchandise and random stuff.
Opening community centers using the IP as an excuse to have beautiful buildings again.
Even having smut hotlines where dirty talking to ai generated voices of your favorite character. The sky's the limit! (And the funds.)
Even shilling out character spots for money could work (although it get's a little scary with legal stuff).
Every genre, and show, and entertainment can fit the MLP and New IP.
Not just that but poners the browser, or operating system.
Hell even making a visualized sitcom of the daily/weekly happenings at the business.
Even music.
Or retelling history, and myths.

The issue is always money, and building the reputation of the business, IPs, and future potential value.

BREAKING NEWS!!! CHRIS CHAN DOESN'T LIKE G5!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5bQsVpysWE&ab_channel=GiBi

Now I share something in common with a tranny. Shit.

>>303415
If ChrisChan manages to kill G5 would that be the ultimate redemption arc, or what one would call it?

>>303435
>if Chrischan manages to kill g5
>Chrischan
>kill
How woefully naive. Chrischan is the poster-boy for the worst aspects of the mlp fandom. Hes precisely the sort of person Hasbro is deliberately trying to distance its self from. Saying he doesnt like g5 is like a glowing endorsement of it.

>>303228
I like these ideas. However,
>someone is going to try to recapture the bottle of lightning that is mlp with a video game that is undertale levels of successful.
That is not something guaranteed to happen. The success of Indie games (AAA games operate a bit differently) comes down to uniqueness, charm, and quite a bit of chance. Undertale was successful because games incorporating unique mechanics with dirt-cheap graphics are exceptionally rare, which only enhanced its child-like charm that made it popular with younger demographics and easily emotionally-manipulated people honestly I liked it too but it attracted too much cringe. Minecraft was the most successful indie game ever yet it had no story and it certainly wasn't the first block-based survival game, but it had good solid mechanics and an artstyle that was simple but not drab. Terraria did the same sort of thing but better optimized for 2D and with its own wacky direction. Starbound is like Terraria but IN SPACE! and the ability to travel to different planets. LIMBO is certainly unique and has its own (albeit dark) sort of charm and although people haven't talked about it as much, the effort that went into a monochromatic game about a child (games with child protagonists seem to do pretty well) paid off.

Note that I'm associating cultural reach (which is what I assume you're talking about) with sales figures which may not be entirely accurate; Undertale would probably have stayed niche if it hadn't been picked up by the Homestuck fandom and memed to an obnoxious extent. Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, and Ori and the Blind Forest are all takes on 2D platforming with their own art styles and each is not far behind Undertale in sales figures, yet they don't come close in terms of cultural reach/memeability. A Hat in Time owes its success largely to a cute aesthetic (again, child protagonist) and to being a simple but fun 3D platformer; its deeper story elements and "hack & slash" elements were cut yet I'd argue that it has had more influence on the internet than those aforementioned 2D counterparts, despite a "measly" 1 million copies sold. Stardew Valley has had a decent amount of influence but it had 10 million copies sold, 10 times that of A Hat in Time and almost three time that of Undertale. Also keep in mind that the majority of these games took years to develop and polish and were definitely a significant time investment. Yet taking your time and it being a labor of love is still not enough to cut it: A Hat in Time and Fallout: the Frontier (a community mod) took roughly similar lengths of time to produce yet one became a smash hit indie game and the other a technically advanced but highly embarrassing mod that was a case study of what not to do.

Also keep in mind that for every extremely popular indie game there are dozens that are moderately successful/talked about only in their own circles and hundreds if not thousands that become forgotten by the roadside. A game centered around ponies will have the advantage of an existing fandom that may propel up to middling heights, but for it to be "undertale levels of successful" it has to be exceptional and memorable as well as memeable. I'd argue it's more of an art than a science but I still recommend studying what makes certain games popular, if that's your intention. It still won't make you a good game designer, but it helps to build a roadmap. Honestly this topic could use its own thread, maybe in /vx/.

>>303257
>Even having smut hotlines where dirty talking to ai generated voices of your favorite character. The sky's the limit! (And the funds.)
Depends on your target demographic. This would work for purchasers of hentai games and the most hardcore of bronies, but being affiliated with this would make it nigh-impossible to sell to children who are still the main demographic for ponies (on the other hand if it's a fanmade project like 15.ai no one would care).
>Even shilling out character spots for money could work (although it get's a little scary with legal stuff).
That sounds all well and good until you get some autist with too much money to know what to do with asking to put his fat-fetish OC in. I say this because this is exactly what happened to Toby Fox when he developed Undertale and he ended up relegating "So Sorry" to being an easter egg most players never discover. Knowing how bronies are this would absolutely happen again.

Honestly I have a couple ideas of my own turning existing IPs into cartoons with one being essentially free and the other from an old and shelved project you could probably buy the rights to for $1000 if not less. The former would be for mature audiences but would be less pretentious/pseudo-intellectual than Rick & Morty while being absurdist/autistic, and the other would be similar to Samurai Jack in tone and target audience. It's much harder to come up with a children's show that could reach across age groups like FiM, simply because Equestria as a setting can't really be beat in cuteness/charm/fantasy potential.

Pic not related.

>>303436
>Chrischan is the poster-boy for the worst aspects of the mlp fandom.
I think this is why it would be an true redemption arc if he actually managed to kill G5. He certainly has enough "oppression points" on his score card in todays cancel culture to grandstand on. But then again he might have a bit too many points on it too to be palatable even for the most progressive out there.

>>303443
>That is not something guaranteed to happen.
I'm well aware that the "magic ingredient" that is contained in these games is not there anymore right now at this time. The key to bottling lightning, other than business accument earlier described, is to fill some kind of existing need or desire. /mlp/ filled that. starwars filled that, zelda fills that. People want certain content and while I cant say more without just giving my idea an ungraceful and way too early reveal, the plan I have is far from unworkable. I think it's far more likely I will fail in executing some other way than mindlessly putting a picture of a pony on something and then wondering why g4 numbers aren;t rolling in.
>which only enhanced its child-like charm that made it popular with younger demographics and easily emotionally-manipulated people honestly I liked it too but it attracted too much cringe.
There are other factors to Undertales enormous success but you got part of it right.
>and to being a simple but fun 3D platformer; its deeper story elements and "hack & slash" elements were cut yet I'd argue that it has had more influence on the internet than those aforementioned 2D counterparts, despite a "measly" 1 million copies sold.
I certainly am favoring network growth over pure profits, though money isn't bad to have. especially since the numbers will need to be substantial to go where I plan to with it long term.

>Also keep in mind that the majority of these games took years to develop and polish and were definitely a significant time investment.
I have, for lack of knowing its unique name, a schedual for releasing product both early and late. A polished video game is definately late. but there are ways to draw in money for the projects earlier as well as mid development.

>Also keep in mind that for every extremely popular indie game there are dozens that are moderately successful/talked about only in their own circles and hundreds if not thousands that become forgotten by the roadside.
The game development avenue is far from idea to be honest, but the reality is you're not going to be literally who'ing an animation studio. People are used to nobody companies churning out fantastic games people really really want. A couple of really important ones for the rpg scene hit the ground this past year.

>simply because Equestria as a setting can't really be beat in cuteness/charm/fantasy potential.
I agree that the target audience is an often overlooked aspect of this kind of thing. No matter how you look at it, you cant aim for the same market as hasbro's target audience of mindless little screeching 5 year olds. I have nothing against children, but the time commitment to a project like this, along with the financial realities, ensures that you basically cannot aim a brand new equestrian like IP at the target audience. While you could conceivably make a cute game, you would never be able to world build in a way that occurs to me in order to reach both audiences. I'd be willing to here arguments against this though

Its good to hear more voices on this by the way. the more people actually engaged, the better it is for my business plan

>>303459
Well you seem to know what you're doing and you're (wisely) holding your cards close to your chest. Sadly I'm more of an "ideas man" https://youtu.be/GjuyxdJZ1mI which is a polite way of saying worthless sack, because anyone can come up with "really good ideas" but knowing how to make the magic happen technically is what's key. Other than learning Blender I'm not likely to improve in that department though I do want to become a decent writer.
>There are other factors to Undertales enormous success but you got part of it right.
I'm interested to hear your analysis on it. Was it the memorable music? The quirky humor? The focus on breaking the 4th wall/vidya pacifism which was still novel at the time? Furry bait? A combination of these?
>I certainly am favoring network growth over pure profits, though money isn't bad to have. especially since the numbers will need to be substantial to go where I plan to with it long term.
I lean towards the same approach as well. But while there's a desired medium between profits and social networks, there's also one between popularity and messaging. A form of media very overt in its messaging will in the best case be limited to a niche group that supports those ideals, like Murdoch Murdoch, and in the worst case would come across as preachy like Chick flicks. Something purely focused on entertainment would be much better received by a broad audience but may have its message, if there's any, fly over people's heads. Depending on the medium, it's optimal to have a positive message that is at the core of the story yet doesn't impede it and which can't be easily subverted: think Lord of the Rings even though Tolkien denied any political message. I think it's actually easier for right-wing works to accomplish this as simply depicting traditional beauty is "right-wing."
>you cant aim for the same market as hasbro's target audience of mindless little screeching 5 year olds.
I think aiming for older children around the ages of 10-12 is best. This has the advantage of innocent charm while having some darker elements that make it appealing to all age groups (think Gravity Falls). Also whereas very young children will forget the lessons of the show they watched older kids are coming under more direct assault from society and could use moral encouragement the most. Unless if you're engaging with subject matter that must be more mature "E10+" is probably the safest bet for independent media.
>Its good to hear more voices on this by the way. the more people actually engaged, the better it is for my business plan
I'm just interested in these sorts of concepts. Any project I establish would be years off, and that's if I actually get the necessary capital.

>>303443
Veggietales has the core moral component down, but the characters don't change and is not in a cohesive world. It was successful, but financially staying afloat after the expensive movie was too much, and the pressure was always on.
>That sounds all well and good until you get some autist with too much money to know what to do with asking to put his fat-fetish OC in. I say this because this is exactly what happened to Toby Fox when he developed Undertale and he ended up relegating "So Sorry" to being an easter egg most players never discover. Knowing how bronies are this would absolutely happen again.
That's a good point to consider.
Speaking of Undertale it also drove countless 'free advertisements' by including secrets and random stuff. Importantly keeping the good reviews from over inflating expectations. Keeping the game in mind long after it was played or even before.
Minecraft, is seemingly an anomaly. But what it did is make voxel based building games easily accessible. The free browser demo got to the core of the experience in its alpha, place down crap however you want.
George Carlin said the fundamental state of human kind is getting more shit and putting that shit somewhere. These wise words apply to everything tangible and intangible.
The reason using this methodology why some characters resonate is the stuff they have. Some of it is shit and not stuff, but that one character has stuff.
FiM has something for almost everyone. The first thing that happens is a separation from Twilight's stuff! Then she finds out she can't just bring ALL the stuff back so she'll bring her other stuff to where she is.
Same thing in the Legend of Zelda, you have no stuff so you need to go get stuff. On and on for many games to get stuff.
Almost every story is about stuff and where/how it's kept.
So the point being of this rant is to make stuff and not shit, for a select group of people. FiM accidentally made stuff that had only a little bit of shit, it shows a world that has stuff many people would like, would want to have, and emulate. The intangible stuff sticks around in your head (the house), or it's shit.
But one more thing to consider is the medium people by things. 'Romance novels' have a tried and true formula, so much so someone made the whole thing by pulling in short mostly unrelated stories about 'The Diamond Club' and boosting it to the front page for a while. It did fairly well all things considered. For an experiment.
Fans will go through the mediums, people that like it will stick to the medium they prefer depending on intensity of desire for more.
>>303459
>While you could conceivably make a cute game, you would never be able to world build in a way that occurs to me in order to reach both audiences. I'd be willing to here arguments against this though
Makes me long for days long past with cartoons that have entertainment for both parents, and children without being an annoyance.
Those same 5 year olds watch videos about the game to have more time with it if they can't play or to branch out.
Adults, and older generations (and children) don't quite have the same reactions as people who grew up with old arcade games, console games, computer games, ect ect.
Spongebob united generation(s) without adults. It's also the jumpstart for widespread high octane meme culture to begin. With a common experience to build the memes together.
Going back to the top Veggietales, while not cute, was acceptable by many people.
Financially building basically two separate stories ontop of each other would be costly, but do able.
On the opposite end is Harry Potter, it is wide spread by brute (((force))). Intertwined with different ages. An escape from life. Costly endeavor for most.
The point for cost effective product is to tell one story that applies for everyone (in that market group (lumping children and parents together)). They can handle tough concepts and a gripping story.
But fart jokes and potty humor are a staple for a reason and it's encouraged for far more nefarious purposes on the occult side of things.
Things are bubble wrapped and a hidden looming danger of forced genital mutilation, and the seemingly overt danger of the 'rona. Now more than ever children are cut from their peers physically.
The old stories of the awful occurrences of life are mitigated. People want at least the normal back.
So instead of just the normal, what about something a bit more ambitious. About a now that is possible.

Right so cost, keep everything under one roof, the goal is to sell and to sell things for a very very long time, and have something worth selling.
The ideal is that at the inception of the product and IP selling has to be tied with the core of whatever it is so both coexist in harmony. They must never be separated else horrors happen in different aspects.
Having a coherent anything is important, no matter how simple or complex.
To be the best like no one ever was, it'll be put to the test to grow them is this cause. Pokemon, the power that's inside of us all is as mentioned multiple times by others to alow it to be given form that's how everything loops.
Now this is where the imagined (magical, /x/) aspect and the real aspect meet to be something more.
<A cooking analogy can work here.
Prepwork Ready is key to accomplishing this with minimal mistakes that could not be accounted for without hands on experience, and actually serving the completed meal Fire is the ground work for all else that follows, yet improving Aim is the highlight of a chef from their infancy to expertise.
>the "magic ingredient" ... The key to bottling lightning,
The 'magic' is always there just the contexts don't align. It's not just the product it's everything in relation to the product and the person(s). Environment, and social bonds and more.
Among Us wasn't extraordinarily popular at its inception. Now, it grew by leaps and bounds.
The key is preparation and being ready for lightning to strike.
Also luck and 'luck'.

>>303469
I would consider myself an idea person too unfortunately. I simply see no reason not to keep fighting to change that.
>why undertale
there are a couple videos on it that go over stuff like how brief and limited the content really is compared to the demand for it, but I think the real ticket was how much of a spectacle it is to watch someone play it.
It doesn't matter how crooked you are at advertisement and (((tactics))), you simply can't outspeed your fan base, and undertale had a fan base that wanted to watch others play, not just play themselves.

>messaging
I admit subtlety here isnt my strong suit and I plan to get a writer who is all about their craft on the payroll to clear up any problems with charm and the like. I will say that the message is relatable to the widest audience possible albeit literate ones. I personally feel like the theming is the most important ingredient I will have towards success. FiM is often garbage in excocting its desired Aesop's but its theming is so good that the fan base will repeatedly ignore contradictions.
>I'm just interested in these sorts of concepts. Any project I establish would be years off, and that's if I actually get the necessary capital.
I think if we try our best we could see a sooner publication, but it takes a mind willing to reinvent how to reach the over all goal,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYCuBj8nezs&t=357
>video
For decentralized command. This also works for extremely large structures as well if enough parts of all teams are competent.
How to make a mission type order.
1. What the commander wants accomplished.
>What to do.
2. Limitations of this mission.
>What the limitations are.
3.What resources are available for this mission, and support that can be counted on outside of the command.
>What stuff can be used.
And the people on the ground have to make the decisions.

One other thing that is important is the connection with the small stuff to the big picture.
Living in the commander's intent (thinking in end states) IE goals in the distance. Let your people solve those issues.
>We're making it happen.

As an example for order of directives.
1. Make our peoples lives better.
2. Making sure this can keep on keeping on.
3. Effective use of resources.
Going down a chain of command (or two or three).
This is where skills in specific areas apply their traits to that goal to do it.
Writefag team
1. Write the best stuff for this
2. Has to fit artfag themes (*). Deadline is next monday.
3. *Artfag team is fully in support for cooperation. The budget consists of a shoe string, a gum wrapper, and three bags of chili.